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1973 D LMC I Think This Is A Die Clash On The Reverse, Is It ? Help Please.

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 Posted 12/10/2017  2:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
Thank you Mark. Keep your eyes out for this error. This error is often mistaken for a Die Clash.
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 Posted 12/10/2017  2:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mark1959 to your friends list

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Keep your eyes out for this error.


I've never seen anything like it yet. If I saw something like that now I'll know what it is!
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 Posted 12/10/2017  5:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
I am actually now keeping my eyes out for this one too. I remember finding one, but it was too beatup and threw it back in the spending pile. I want to find a example in decent shape. :)
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 Posted 12/10/2017  6:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carwash to your friends list
Thanks E & V for the that information and the link. Interesting read.

Sorry for the slow response I had to work today.

Now I know what to do with the other two I found with it.

1973 D with a Recurring die subsidence error.

Do you think these are from the same die at different stages or three different dies?

1973-D-LMC-I-Think-This-Is-A-Die-Clash-On-The-Reverse,-Is-It-?-Help-Please.
1973-D-LMC-I-Think-This-Is-A-Die-Clash-On-The-Reverse,-Is-It-?-Help-Please.
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 Posted 12/10/2017  6:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coppergold to your friends list
http://goccf.com/t/301826

It's not a die clash. It's a mysterious form of die failure. Here is mine, just learned about this recently. I suggest you look at all the comments especially by Coop
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 Posted 12/10/2017  6:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carwash to your friends list
Thanks for the link Coppergold. Just read the responses and Coops pics are right on.
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 Posted 12/10/2017  6:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
You're welcome. It's a very interesting form of Die Failure and the crazy and unsolved puzzle remains a true mystery.
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 Posted 12/10/2017  7:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list
I think perhaps it was improper temperature due to faulty equipment. I can see how several dies could receive the same improper temperature and experience the same result. Just my opinion of course. I can't imagine any other way.
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 Posted 12/10/2017  8:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list
Coinmasters, yes they put a bunch of the dies in a kiln to temper, so if any of that group have the similar effect happen it seems reasonalble for many dies. For the question are these from the same die, possible not, you have to take all factors into account including die pairs and other standard impressions too. A nice study to do if you have multiple examples.
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 Posted 12/10/2017  8:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list
It's hard to say what part of the "temperature equipment" was faulty.it could be something as simple as the master temperature gauge, whatever it was I think it probably produced a consistent improper temperature to affect several dies the same. That could span within a batch, or from batch to batch until caught and corrected. Whether or not the OP's coins are from the same die is of no consequence.
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 Posted 12/11/2017  08:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carwash to your friends list
CoinMasters and Crazyb0, Thanks for your opinions on this subject.
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 Posted 12/11/2017  09:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list
A nice find Carwash.
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 Posted 12/11/2017  10:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Willburton to your friends list
I found a couple of those. I think I posted one and coop said there's two or three dies similar to that one. The same year
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 Posted 12/11/2017  2:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Halo1st to your friends list

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Do you think these are from the same die at different stages or three different dies?


See coops hierarchy explaining die creation below.

1973-D-LMC-I-Think-This-Is-A-Die-Clash-On-The-Reverse,-Is-It-?-Help-Please.

Error-ref references up to 8 working dies showing similar, but slightly different stages of the anomaly. Location is a key factor here.

As coop mentions in the other post "To me, the idea of a working hub that was breaking down makes more sense to me"

Rather than having multiple or 8 working dies having the same issue in the same location seems less likely, than one working hub was effected and transferred the issue to multiple working dies. Thanks, Doug.
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 Posted 12/11/2017  4:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carwash to your friends list
Wilburton and Halo1st, thanks for your opinions and the die creation pic.

My thoughts on the dies were the 1st pic and the 3rd pic were the possibly the same die with the 3rd pic being EDS and the 1st pic being LDS. The 2nd pic being a different die all together.
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