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1793 Chain Cent Unearthed In Maryland By Detectorist

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 Posted 01/05/2018  7:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
It does make you wince, but what a story!
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 Posted 01/05/2018  7:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list
Too good to be true and you can tell it was staged. The dirt around the "find" had obviously been disturbed prior to them digging in it. That shovel went in way too easy.

But hey, it's entertainment and people enjoy it.
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 Posted 01/05/2018  8:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oober to your friends list
I have seen shows like this in the past. I think the Hoover boys are way better than Diggers. They do a much better job of discussing the history. And that's what drove me to coin collecting. The history of it. Very enjoyable show.
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 Posted 01/05/2018  9:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Well said, I agree.
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 Posted 01/05/2018  11:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list
I don't trust most YouTube detecting videos, a disturbing number of the "big find" videos are 100% faked or use seeding/salting. Don't know about this one, but it smells like salt to me.

If you don't know what salting is, basically, you dig a hole, pop a coin in there, and then just so happen to be filming when you "discover" it with your detector. Often, the appearance of the item and the depth from which it was recovered are not consistent with the story being told, nor the location (people didn't usually lose coins in the middle of a field, but usually in town, at a privy hole, near buildings, playgrounds, churches, etc...) The practice picked up noticeably with detector manufacturer shills in the 70s and 80s and can be seen on some early 80s Whites "how-to" VHS cassettes.

Regardless of whether it was previously dug or dug "live", it's a rare find and worthy of celebration and praise no matter what.
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 Posted 01/06/2018  01:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chancellor Sutler to your friends list
People lose things wherever they happen to be. In colonial America, folks busted their hind ends for 8 months in order to be able to suffer 4 months of winter with a little less agony. They spent an inordinate amount of time in the fields.

I live in a town founded in 1781. From only 2 farms, I have recovered 26 large coppers, of which the earliest was a 1794 Liberty Cap Large Cent, 2 silver 3 cent pieces, 2 Barber half dollars, a few Seated Liberty coins ... 1 dime and 3 quarters, 1 crotal bell, a silver pocket watch, flat buttons galore, and 2 silver brooches from the 1600s,, one gold class ring from 1929, and an 18K wedding band that weighed 6 grams. These finds were all made in the fields because that's where these people spent nearly all their time. My finds parallel those of the Hoover Boys. Their experience is not unique. Lots of detectorists make similar farm field finds.

The suggestions that have traditionally been made (as to how and where to finds coins etc) aren't incorrect. High traffic areas is where people lose things. To think that people didn't lose things in farm fields shows a thorough misunderstanding of the lifestyle these people were forced to live. That's why the Sabbath was so important too. After enduring the previous 6 days ... you needed a day without work and "with" community.

I'll be 60 in June, provided I make it. When I was a child, I walked along with my Grandfather as he plowed, with a horse drawn plow, a 10 acre plot. Obviously I didn't walk the whole 10 acres, but he did. I was but maybe 5 years old at the time. I've sat on my grandmother's knee as she made butter with a stomper churn. I know how many hours my family spent hoeing corn, and how hot it is doing so....and why they always left one big tree in the field. It was a place to rest and eat lunch, and for one of the farmers here in our little town, a place to lose the numerous pocket knives, Indian Head cents, and 1 1917 type 2 Standing Liberty quarter for me to recover last year.

I'm glad to have had such experiences in my early life. I wouldn't trade my childhood experiences for anything.

The farm fields were largely untouched in the 70s, and were basically not even talked about. I know ... I was detecting then. I never gave the fields much thought either ... I read the same advice from the same sources and found the same results ... most of which was recovering coins and items from "post colonial" life. I have only recovered 1 large cent in our local park, and that was a fluke. It came in in a load of fill dirt.

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 Posted 01/06/2018  09:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list
I've dug privies and plowland here in TX and in Arkansas, and have found some nicer items in the turns and troughs, mostly copper and not much silver. Enough hod nails and square nails to fill a bucket, bottle caps, hog rings, implement wrenches, hasps, etc. So yes, there are plenty of finds (even pocket spills) where the earth gets turned over. But there's a difference between hunting on former farmland vs. out in the wilderness. Grandpa had 3 acres of okra and chickens for me to explore. Only problem was the plowing tended to damage finds. I have lots of bent and scraped Wheat cents and Jeffs/Buffs as a result.

I started out in the late 80s with a DI/pro that lasted me through the late 90s when I lost interest and didn't have the money to pursue the hobby. Unfortunately the oldest coins I dug were Indian Head cents, the oldest an 1864 from Salado, TX near the old Stagecoach Inn and another 1864 from Dardanelle, Ark. Lots of nice medicine and cosmetics bottles from privy digs. I never found "big copper." Finds like this one make me want to go buy a new Ace or GTI or whatever the latest toy is and go find me some large cents! There's not much good hunting ground where I live (North TX), but plenty of opportunities within a two-hour drive out of the city. I wish I lived in New England or south on the east coast, which is where a lot of the banner finds seem to show up in regards to silver and big copper. Pretty much everything around here (if not clad) ends up being post-Civil War.

I think I'd die of shock if I popped any pre-1800s large copper out of a hole, especially a 1793 of any type. But it would be a sweet death.
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 Posted 01/06/2018  11:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
This rings true for sure. My searching days are long over and were never all that productive being from the Midwest. My best finds by far were during the two years I spend in Philadelphia, where my wife and I found many seated and Barber coins, mostly worn of course. It was nothing to bring home half a bucket full of coins for a single afternoon's work digging in Robin Hood Dell at Fairmount Park.
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 Posted 09/07/2018  12:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ohary to your friends list
Wow, that's pretty darn cool! First post here, so hello! I'm a bit of a nerd. If it's dorky and fun, I'm in, whether it be flying drones, building saltwater reef tanks, panning for gold (fail!), astronomy, weather modelling, or building computers, I've done it and in some cases still doing it. But as a kid I always found numismatics fascinating. In the early 80's there were numismatic shops around town and even in the malls. I remember getting left behind in one as a kid. My dad was so mad. Now that I'm a dad, I'm doing these things with my son. We failed miserably panning for gold (there is none up here in the Northeast), but it was fun. But I think we are prime for some colonial finds. I think it's an activity I'll take up with him.

FWIW, what brought me to this thread was a search on the chain cent. I like to have the first of anything, and I've got my sights on one, and sets of 2 cent pieces, III cent nickels, etc... My other hobbies have cost me fortunes, lol. I've sank 5 figures into that, and I'm onto my 8th drone, but collecting coins could be something enjoyable and less costly. Any advice or help appreciated!

Good finds!
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 Posted 09/07/2018  6:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list
OHary...

Welcome to the Community!
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 Posted 09/07/2018  6:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list
It's too bad that so many scripted so-called reality shows have pretty much made any finds like this "iffy". We all know the only true unscripted reality show was Gilligan's Island.
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 Posted 09/07/2018  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trobbi33 to your friends list
Thanks for sharing the video. I didn't know about this channel and just subscribed to it. I liked watching Diggers so I know I will enjoy it.. looks entertaining.
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 Posted 09/07/2018  8:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mavs2583 to your friends list
What's that Chain Cent worth? It's very worn.
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 Posted 09/07/2018  9:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ohary to your friends list
Thanks for the welcome Western sky!Yeah, it seemed too lucky to find a chain cent on a remote farm, but I'm sure those guys did some reconaissance. I'm guessing most treasure hunters seek beaches and parks, but farms and old homesteads is where it's at. Do your homework. Don't be surprised if the site is on a farm or in the woods. I'd stick to old stone walls if it were me. Especially the ones rolling through the woods. A lot of those old farms are now woods, it don't take long. Search old maps. From my soil testing, I've found nearly 90% of the sites I've soil tested have been farmed, of course the ones that were farmed for a longer period of time have the best chances. I know nothing about metal detecting, but I'm guessing, if you don't have an instrument that can't differentiate a coin from a bottlecap you'r eeither wasting your time with cheap equipment, or in the wrong spot. Early maps and county deeds are the way to go. Wish me luck, lol!
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