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VF35 details, cleaned, several scratches and dings. Not bad for what you paid.
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The mintmarks are different. Is the raw example just a different variety?
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There are several mintmarks. One was small and another medium. They were placed in different positions relative to the D in DOLLAR. Interestingly there are four periods in the reverse after AMERICA, GRAINS, FINE and DOLLAR, even though none of these are abbreviations.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Well, my first thought was VF-35 but it could make XF-40. Scratches on the back don't look very bad.
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in hand now   IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Coin is raw so I weighed it. My scale only works to the nearest gram. Trade dollars should be 27.22 grams and silver washed base metal examples often weigh around 18 grams. This coin seems to pass the weight test. Let me know if you see anything that causes concern.  IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Trade dollars from 1877 and after had a Type 2 obverse paired with a Type 2 reverse exclusively. I looked over the markers for these die varieties to see if they are correct. Results are below and it appears that this coin exhibits the correct Type 2 die varieties for both obverse and reverse. Obverse Types  Subject coin appears to exhibit the downward facing ribbon ends of the Type 2 Obverse Die Variety.  Reverse Types Arrowheads Markers  Subject coin appears to exhibit the correct bottom arrowhead position through the middle of the 2 in 420, and the middle arrow shaft just touching the eagle's wing tip for the Type 2 Reverse Die Variety.  Reverse Types Sprig Leaves and Berries Markers  Subject coin appears to exhibit the correct bottom leaf position where it drops below the top of the top of the 0 and F in the lettering below and the rightmost berry does not extend over the E in FINE consistent with the Type 2 Reverse Die Variety. 
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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I recognize those images...
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Just noticed that the author of the ebay Trade dollar authentication article was one n.s. sherlock. Thanks for the very helpful info!  IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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It is my opinion you have a genuine coin. A nice specimen for the grade.
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Agree. It looks cleaned in some images but original in others.
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