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How Did Coins From The Mid 1800-S Survive In Such High Grades.

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 Posted 01/21/2018  12:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
In simple general terms, they were hoarded, and never circulated after that.

It is still possible (although rarely), to obtain ancient coins in 'as struck' condition.
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 Posted 01/21/2018  08:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list
I've worked with dozens of estate liquidation, almost exclusively for farmers. All but one had a safe. Not a gun safe but real safes.

All but two of those safes included coins and currency. A surprising amount of gold. Many of the owners had marked the coins with origins. "Wedding gift from Aunt Sally, won for shooting challenge in 1908 (estate included the trophy), Birthday present - etc.

Those coins didn't have any circulation for decades.
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 Posted 01/21/2018  08:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list
Look at it this way , when one finds a 1959 Lincoln Cent today in CH-AU Red we holder it and store it away .Then it gets passed down multiple times. So in the year 2117 it was finally sold to a dealer , a newbie comes along in 2118 and buys it and says to himself how the heck did this ''Penny'' stay in such great condition after all these years ?
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 Posted 01/21/2018  2:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ron6788 to your friends list
I think banks and bankers had a lot to do with putting aside mint-state coins and currency. They had first crack at the stuff and probably made a good enough wage that they could do that. I know it wouldn't have been me. It's like me setting aside $100 bills that I think are interesting, today. Not going to happen, lol.

What I'm curious about is how some coins, like early Morgans, now 139 years old, can still be bright silver!
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 Posted 01/21/2018  2:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
Since China is still making them, naturally they all look new.
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 Posted 01/21/2018  3:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmkendall to your friends list
As a coin dealer in the Midwest, I see lots of this.

Moxking gives some real good examples.

Others are that people were often given coins at the time of birth. We still do it today. Often those coins survive in high AU to MS.

Something else, during the "great melt" a few years ago, there were a surprising number of Hoards brought in. While I know that at the height of the GM, dealers were sending them in to be melted as fast as they came in, I know at least two refineries that paid people to go through the coins brought in for melting to pull MS or certain series such as CBH. As a result there are a lot more of these coins in the collector world than there were before the great melt.
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 Posted 01/21/2018  8:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MorganGuy78 to your friends list
I read somewhere that during the mid 19th century, prior to the civil war, many people hoarded silver coins out of fear of economic ruin in their near future. After the civil war many of the coins that were hoarded were spent back into circulation and thus the government minted fewer small denomination coins up until the late 1890's when mintage numbers started to increase again. I'm sure that a lot of the coins that were hoarded were forgotten about inside of drawers, lost purses, etc.
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 Posted 01/21/2018  10:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paul Bulgerin to your friends list
My mother, now 95 years old, still has the first 1938 Jefferson nickel she got back in 1938 when she was a teenager. She kept it because it was a new type of nickel.

I'm sure this type of thing has happened for years and years.
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 Posted 01/21/2018  10:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chesterb to your friends list
I think many never even made it to circulation. The larger coins like half dollars and dollars were traded between banks. I agree also that economic times led to hoarding and many were removed from circulation.
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 Posted 01/21/2018  10:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jpsned to your friends list
I've read stories about thousands of old uncirculated coins discovered at a time in people's walls. I've also read stories about old shipwrecks yielding chests full of uncirculated 19th-century coins.

I hear you about collectors not being as rabid about saving coins as we are today, because people couldn't afford the luxury of saving coins. But I believe they did--not just in the same numbers. It's human nature to want to take something bright and shiny and keep it for yourself. Collectors--from your Alexander P. Bumsteads to your John Q. Rockefellers--have always been around. Eventually their holdings see the light of day. And just think of all the wonderful coins like these that are still unknown!
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 Posted 01/22/2018  09:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list
All very good reasons why coins from the mid 1800's survive in such high grades .
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 Posted 01/22/2018  09:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list
The harder question to answer is how to gem to superb gem 19th century examples survive and enough so that a number of collectors can still find them? I believe that once minted they went into bags. Just the jostling around of plopping out of the minting machine and then going into a bag would likely start adding marks to at least take the vast majority of these coins out of the superb gem arena. Although, I'm sure a lucky few make it and only a tiny portion of those are handled with gentle enough care to make it in our hands today. One could surmise that collectors made their way to the Mints and specifically asked for special care of newly minted specimens and that's how some survive in the great shape we see them today.
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 Posted 01/22/2018  09:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andrew99 to your friends list
First, there have always been coin collectors, even in ancient times. Second, many of the US coins larger than a quarter barely circulated as 50c or $1 was a lot of money to someone in the 1880's that made $10 per week.
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 Posted 01/22/2018  10:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cdqguy to your friends list

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I think banks and bankers had a lot to do with putting aside mint-state coins and currency.

One particular series and denomination comes to mind - Capped Bust Halves. As many of you know, In addition to the healthy mintages they were shipped from bank to bank and not released into circulation until needed. Capped Bust quarters of the same date and condition are more expensive than CB halves today, because they were more the workhorse of local commerce, and so did not survive as much in high grades..
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