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1903-S Morgan - Your Thoughts?

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 Posted 02/08/2018  10:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aoraki to your friends list
Yeah... the more I look at this, the more I am inclined to believe the coin is a fake. A couple of things are standing out at the moment: the shoulder gap looks wrong and, as mentioned above, the mint mark positions matches no VAMs. Time to save both me and the seller any more grief.

Note to self: stick to LCs.

Thanks everyone.
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02/08/2018 10:38 pm
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 Posted 02/08/2018  10:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list
Tell the seller it's fake and see what he says. Ask him which diagnostics he performed on the coin to verify authenticity. His responses will be very interesting.
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 Posted 02/08/2018  11:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smalldawg59 to your friends list
Don't buy it! Bet you $100 it's a Chinese fake.
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 Posted 02/09/2018  09:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2012 to your friends list
It has the same look as many Chinese fakes.
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 Posted 02/09/2018  09:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list
Definitely fake.
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 Posted 02/09/2018  10:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Ouch! Pass. Return if you can.
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02/09/2018 10:51 am
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 Posted 02/09/2018  11:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BassPro to your friends list
how do you know its fake people?
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 Posted 02/09/2018  2:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list

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how do you know its fake people?



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It has the look of a cast counterfeit and I can't match it to any of the known die pairings. It looks like a C4 reverse die but the date position and mint mark are off the known positions.


By studying what authentic coins look like. The date and mint mark positions do not match any VAM listings. http://www.vamworld.com/1903-S+VAMs
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 Posted 02/09/2018  2:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list

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how do you know its fake people?


Quite a few markers that tell me it's fake. First of all, compare images of a cast counterfeit to a real Morgan dollar. You will see an immediate difference.
Secondly, I can see that the lettering and date just look "off" - they don't look like a legitimate Morgan dollar. The eagle on the reverse looks wrong too - it has full detail, but yet the rest of the coin exhibits AU condition wear, which means something isn't right. Finally, the coin doesn't match any known VAMs.

BassPro, I can post images of my real 1903 Morgan dollar that is in AU condition if you like, and you can compare them to your fake.
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 Posted 02/09/2018  4:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BassPro to your friends list
this is not my coin -silver- but I am very interested in telling real from fake. What do 'denticals' mean? I see people saying that. 'SilverDollar' if you have comparing photos please show and thanks for your time.
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 Posted 02/09/2018  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list
Here is what see that would make me believe that the coin is counterfiet. The toning is typical for a Chinese fake, there are what appears to be cast bump on the cheek. On reverse the wings look like there has been environmental damage, but most likely cast pot marks, the details in the breast feathers look better than a coin in XF condition, Dave 700 can not match a VAM.
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02/09/2018 4:32 pm
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 Posted 02/09/2018  4:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list
with Slider23

Here are images of my 1903 Morgan dollar:

1903-S-Morgan---Your-Thoughts?
1903-S-Morgan---Your-Thoughts?

Denticles are the little bumps on the edge of the coin. See below image:
1903-S-Morgan---Your-Thoughts?
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02/09/2018 4:38 pm
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 Posted 02/09/2018  4:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BassPro to your friends list
Thank you sivlerdollar. The coin looked off to me but wasn't sure. I have been going through the 150 coins I bought recently. So far they all look good.
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 Posted 02/11/2018  10:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aoraki to your friends list
By the way... money refunded before the coin was posted. Seller genuinely interested in how to spot a fake Morgan. Seems he has a few others from the same source.

I'm sticking to Large Cents from here on...
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 Posted 02/12/2018  5:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmwilson to your friends list
My first impression before reading any of the other posts was that this coin is fake.
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