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Where Did The Quality Field In Image Optimizer Go - And What To Do Instead?

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 Posted 02/11/2018  6:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list
No, it wouldn't have because they all default to 75 now.

Make it smaller, it will be fine. You're really overthinking it. I mean I shrunk the one above from 2400 to 800 and it's still an awesome picture, you can see every mark on it clearly.
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 Posted 02/11/2018  6:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list
OK, will change to 475 pixels (or whatever it actually comes out to).

I think I was mostly that sad because the other side of the same coin was able to fit within 300 kilobytes, and now I'd have to fix both images, so that one isn't twice as big as the other.
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 Posted 02/11/2018  6:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list
Trust me changing it to 800 will not kill the image. You've been brainwashed apparently. In the above post, I removed over 5 million pixels from the original image, cut the sides by 2/3, by your logic it should be atrocious.

Email me your original image and I will prove it to you. bobby at coincommunity.com
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In the above post, I removed over 5 million pixels from the original image, cut the sides by 2/3, by your logic it should be atrocious.
No, it doesn't quite work that way. 3 is an integer, so shrinking the image by a factor of exactly 3 (as you apparently did - 2400 to 800) combines the pixels evenly, which, as far as I understand it, would produce much less distortion.
I would have believed you if you had resized it to, I dunno, 700 or 900. (Or 853 or whatever.) With 800 it just proves my logic.

I guess I should post both 480-pixel and 800-pixel versions of my coin, and ask which one is better?
(I've already uploaded the 480 pixel versions, and was almost ready to post them when I saw your comment.)
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 Posted 02/11/2018  7:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list
I give up. Do whatever you want.
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There, I used the optimizer and resized it from 2400 to 769, how horrible is it?

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2400 to 649.... not an integer....

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 Posted 02/11/2018  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list
Very beautiful, actually.
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 Posted 02/11/2018  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list
I just did what I really should have tried originally: I resized the 1200-pixel Washington token provided as the default in the Image Optimizer to 853 pixels.
And, just as you predicted, there was no distortion that I could notice.

So yes, you were correct; sorry.
In the future I will try to resize my images to 800 pixels (if they are larger).
Certainly would make them neater, if nothing else (typically my obverse and reverse pictures are not quite the same size as each other, since they are photographed and cropped individually).

EDIT: ninja-ed. Though yes, that token is indeed quite pretty.
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 Posted 02/11/2018  7:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list
Your theory is not incorrect, it's just not something that is visible to the naked eye on the internet. Maybe there are some "super eyes" that can but who knows.
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 Posted 02/18/2018  07:10 am  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list
Windows, including v8.1, have an included program called PAINT.

Paint can easily crop and resize images.

I do a lot of photo editing, cropping, resizing, side-by-side comparisons, etc. and I use Paint about 80% of the time.

For the other 20% I use a FREE program called PAINT.NET (from getpaint.net). It is a much more robust image editor, but it also easily resizes images, and has a quality setting upon saving.
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 Posted 02/18/2018  08:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list

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Windows, including v8.1, have an included program called PAINT.

Paint can easily crop and resize images.

I do a lot of photo editing, cropping, resizing, side-by-side comparisons, etc. and I use Paint about 80% of the time.

For the other 20% I use a FREE program called PAINT.NET (from getpaint.net). It is a much more robust image editor, but it also easily resizes images, and has a quality setting upon saving.
Meh. Paint's JPG quality sucks (it's a lot worse than the 75 used here), and its resize function double sucks.

Sure, it's almost perfect for PNG images: tables, maps, flags, line drawings, most kinds of screenshots... that sort of thing. (Which Is in any case useless now as far as CCF is concerned, because that format isn't accepted any more, but can be useful on many other forums.)
But for JPG... meh. And probably worse than just "meh".

I mean, I'd use it on a JPG if I actually really had to and there was nothing else, but even then I'd probably try to add a disclaimer (or several) about how it sucks.
And this particular contest didn't make it to my boundary of "really had to"; that only works with a much stronger need (a document or a CV would probably be enough).


As for Paint.NET... well, from what I've heard, it's really complicated to use, and has a horrible learning curve.

I've never actually used it, though, so in principle it's possible that it's not really that bad.

Even so... isn't it a Linux thing? (And doesn't it take up lots of drive space, for that matter?)
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 Posted 02/18/2018  11:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list
january1may you are confusing paint.net with the GIMP.

Paint.net is a very simple to use (but quite powerful) image editor for Windows (the .Net comes from the .Net foundation library).

GIMP is an open source tool, and has a reputation for being difficult to use. It's very, very powerful and people confuse the learning curve with difficulty. It's available for just about every platform you can think of: https://www.gimp.org/

They have some tutorials here: https://www.gimp.org/tutorials/GIMP_Quickies/

Guess what - the workflow for our simple tasks of resizing or cropping an image? Are basically the same for paint, paint.net and GIMP.

Open an image, select a tool, draw the crop box. Click. Resize the image involves setting a size and taking the defaults. Click. Save As.



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I agree that Paint does not store images efficiently, but it comes with Windows, and is incredibly easy to crop and resize images, and when doing that it is FAST. I especially like the ease of increasing or decreasing canvas size.

Paint.net has no greater learning curve than any image editor having as many features.
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Paint.net has no greater learning curve than any image editor having as many features.
I agree.

I have used paint.net exclusively for many years now.
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 Posted 02/19/2018  10:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mcshilling to your friends list
When I started doing all my photos I didn't have a clue on what to use, Now I use the Canon software for pics,crop,resize and editing. when I want a side by side I go to Paint.net, I have tried Gimp and a few others and find Paint.net the best and if I can use it any one can.
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