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Thanks Tanman.It does have all the markers of the DDO-006 on VV though!
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1972-D DDO-006 only has one marker and I don't see it. You should look for the doubling, not the markers. It is possible that multiple dies have similar scratches/gouges/clashes/ and other markers.
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Doubling can be seen: on 2 , WE , you , notches on IBERT and OD .
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Sorry Coop, just got home from work.A pic. is coming up. here they are.   Edited by Chase007
02/12/2018 6:04 pm
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"1972-D DDO-006 only has one marker and I don't see it. You should look for the doubling, not the markers. It is possible that multiple dies have similar scratches/gouges/clashes/ and other markers."
also an earlier die state might not have the marker(s) but will still have the doubling
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Thank you Coop,will do.
Thank you DrDon,as mentioned previously once I checked against CC listing realized that it is definitely not the DD0-006 on CC.
There are very obvious notching on the upper left serifs of the IBERTY,D of GOD, doubling on the 2, RUST,WE , IN GOD.
Will check with J.Wexler and will keep you posted.
Thanks again everyone.
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Here is another interesting and educational scenario. ( this has been a gray and confusing and at the same time a very interesting area for me for a long time to tell the difference between the Hub versus Master Die doubling) As Tanman stated , this doubling was produced by a master die! Here is John Wexler's reply after looking at the images: Hello Mike, Yes, I certainly can identify that doubled die. Unfortunately the doubling that you see on your 1972-D Lincoln Cent is from a doubled master die that was produced in 1972. At the beginning of a given year a master die is produced with the coin's design for that year. Hundreds of working hubs are then produced from the master die. The working hub is then used to produce hundreds of working dies. The working dies are then used in the coining presses to strike the coins. If there is doubling on the master die, then all working hubs produced from the doubled master die will have the same doubling. In turn, all working dies produced by each of those doubled working hubs will also all have the same doubling. In such cases a very high percentage of the coins produced that year will show the same doubling with some minor differences due to hub and die wear After the famous doubled dies for 1972 were produced the master die failed. A new master die was made that contained the doubling seen on your coins. About 60% to 70% of all 1972 cents from all three Mints (including proofs) show this doubling making it far too common to have any value. You can access more information on doubled master dies on my website http://www.doubleddie.com by clicking on Doubled Dies in the left column menu and then scrolling down until you find the link for Doubled Master Dies. I hope that this information helps. Edited by Chase007
02/13/2018 12:04 am
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Keep in mind that not all attributers have the same school of thought. Thus they separate/disagree/tollerate/even listen to each other from time to time. So some of each others ideas are like theories. Some don't agree with each other, but are will to work with one another when time be needed. But probably 95% of the time they agree.
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coop,
I totally get it and respect that.
If there is doubling on the master die, then all working hubs produced from the doubled master die will have the same doubling
My thought is: Ok, when the master die was produced with the coin's design for that year ,there was no doubling on it, then in the process a doubling occur's on the Master die from there is transferred to working Hub then to working dies.
Isn't this TECHNICALLY still a Mint produced Double Die ?
And just for the sake of argument ,how can One be certain that for example the 1972 Cent in this topic is not a MDD ?
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True they are a mint produced doubled die, when 50% of the coin have this on them, then it is as common as a normal coin. So they are nothing special anymore. The sad part if the most non collectors don't even know that they exist, then it is our job to educate them. People go on ebay and buy junk coins, while the real varieties are snagged sometimes at a great bargain. Some Machine doubled coin were going for a ridiculous price and I picked up a die variety for a real low price. Years later when they go to sell their prize coin, they will either be told there or here that it is not a doubled die. Then be mad at whoever tells them that. Get ready they are coming for us...... |
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Not to be redundant, I'm just taking this opportunity to try out my new Die Order E-file.  |
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Thank you for that CoinMasters  simple and yet complete. I am happy to see this post to have become a very useful and educational thread benefitting many. Edited by Chase007
02/13/2018 8:39 pm
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