1972-D Memorial Cent Doubled Die Obverse / DDO -006 ? Picked Up On The Bay For Under A Buck!

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Chase007 Pillar of the Community United States 7516 Posts	Posted 02/11/2018 4:43 pm I think it is DDO-006 ,markers match.would like confirmation,much appreciated. Interestingly enough during researching on this DDO I learnt that it is from a re-engraved die. It's in MS-63 or better and Picked it up on the Bay for $0.99 Edited by Chase007 02/11/2018 7:23 pm Report this Post to the Staff

Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 02/11/2018 4:49 pm Good one! Report this Post to the Staff
John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 02/11/2018 4:50 pm Does it match to the one on CC's site? Does not look like 006 to me. Looks like master die doubling,common in 1972. John1 Edited by John1 02/11/2018 4:52 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Tanman2001 Pillar of the Community United States 4404 Posts	Posted 02/11/2018 4:52 pm Not DDO-006, just the re-engraved die or the doubled master die. VarietyVista calls it a re-engraved die, Wexler calls it a doubled master die. Report this Post to the Staff
Chase007 Pillar of the Community United States 7516 Posts	Posted 02/11/2018 4:53 pm Thanks for quick response.CF, TM. John, I matched it with V.V.'s, and it was a match, but not with CC's , going there now. Edited by Chase007 02/11/2018 4:53 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Chase007 Pillar of the Community United States 7516 Posts	Posted 02/11/2018 5:19 pm John,Tanman,you are both correct. John I checked it against CC's and it is not even close and does not match any of the CC's listings!.but it matched the 006 on Variety Vista listing!I think that's strange! http://www.varietyvista.com/01b%20L...2DDDO006.htm Now my question is this, why are there Two different DDO-006 listings for 72-D that are not remotely close? Edited by Chase007 02/11/2018 6:04 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Tanman2001 Pillar of the Community United States 4404 Posts	Posted 02/11/2018 6:11 pm Oh I just noticed this was a Denver coin. Yes 1972-D DDO-006 on varietyvista and 1DO-006 on copper coins are different. Your coin is neither, it is the doubled master die/re-engraved die. Report this Post to the Staff
Chase007 Pillar of the Community United States 7516 Posts	Posted 02/11/2018 7:25 pm Thanks Tanman.It does have all the markers of the DDO-006 on VV though! Report this Post to the Staff
Tanman2001 Pillar of the Community United States 4404 Posts	Posted 02/11/2018 7:53 pm 1972-D DDO-006 only has one marker and I don't see it. You should look for the doubling, not the markers. It is possible that multiple dies have similar scratches/gouges/clashes/ and other markers. Report this Post to the Staff
Chase007 Pillar of the Community United States 7516 Posts	Posted 02/11/2018 8:14 pm Doubling can be seen: on 2 , WE , you , notches on IBERT and OD . Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 02/12/2018 1:36 pm An image of the mint mark location would be helpful on this one. The location will tell me if it is from a certain die, or not? http://varietyvista.com/01b%20LC%20...2DDDO006.htm CONECA 1972-D DDO-006 Report this Post to the Staff
Chase007 Pillar of the Community United States 7516 Posts	Posted 02/12/2018 5:55 pm Sorry Coop, just got home from work.A pic. is coming up. here they are. Edited by Chase007 02/12/2018 6:04 pm Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 02/12/2018 6:59 pm The location of the mint mark looks different than the 1972-D DDO-006 on CONECA. http://varietyvista.com/01b%20LC%20...2DDDO006.htm So it is not that die number. You might check with John Wexler to see if he has a listing for it? Report this Post to the Staff
DrDon Pillar of the Community United States 2624 Posts	Posted 02/12/2018 7:46 pm "1972-D DDO-006 only has one marker and I don't see it. You should look for the doubling, not the markers. It is possible that multiple dies have similar scratches/gouges/clashes/ and other markers." also an earlier die state might not have the marker(s) but will still have the doubling Report this Post to the Staff
Chase007 Pillar of the Community United States 7516 Posts	Posted 02/12/2018 8:09 pm Thank you Coop,will do. Thank you DrDon,as mentioned previously once I checked against CC listing realized that it is definitely not the DD0-006 on CC. There are very obvious notching on the upper left serifs of the IBERTY,D of GOD, doubling on the 2, RUST,WE , IN GOD. Will check with J.Wexler and will keep you posted. Thanks again everyone. Report this Post to the Staff
Chase007 Pillar of the Community United States 7516 Posts	Posted 02/12/2018 11:59 pm Here is another interesting and educational scenario. ( this has been a gray and confusing and at the same time a very interesting area for me for a long time to tell the difference between the Hub versus Master Die doubling) As Tanman stated , this doubling was produced by a master die! Here is John Wexler's reply after looking at the images: Hello Mike, Yes, I certainly can identify that doubled die. Unfortunately the doubling that you see on your 1972-D Lincoln Cent is from a doubled master die that was produced in 1972. At the beginning of a given year a master die is produced with the coin's design for that year. Hundreds of working hubs are then produced from the master die. The working hub is then used to produce hundreds of working dies. The working dies are then used in the coining presses to strike the coins. If there is doubling on the master die, then all working hubs produced from the doubled master die will have the same doubling. In turn, all working dies produced by each of those doubled working hubs will also all have the same doubling. In such cases a very high percentage of the coins produced that year will show the same doubling with some minor differences due to hub and die wear After the famous doubled dies for 1972 were produced the master die failed. A new master die was made that contained the doubling seen on your coins. About 60% to 70% of all 1972 cents from all three Mints (including proofs) show this doubling making it far too common to have any value. You can access more information on doubled master dies on my website http://www.doubleddie.com by clicking on Doubled Dies in the left column menu and then scrolling down until you find the link for Doubled Master Dies. I hope that this information helps. Edited by Chase007 02/13/2018 12:04 am Report this Post to the Staff
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1972-D Memorial Cent DDO-006 ? Picked Up On The Bay For Under A Buck!