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1964 SMS "Special Mint Set" Or Proof Set?

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 Posted 07/03/2018  3:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bossvibe to your friends list
Thanks coop for all this info. Went ahead and took better pics for future reference. thanks again.
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 Posted 07/03/2018  4:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bossvibe to your friends list
I just noticed a die crack located on the Lincoln Cent reverse just above the "T" in Cent, something alway new when you least expect it..
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 Posted 07/04/2018  08:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
The line looks incuse, not raised. The die is also showing age, so it's not a SMS coin.
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 Posted 07/04/2018  1:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
The die polish lines also don't match up.
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 Posted 02/28/2020  08:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Penny Thoughts to your friends list
So if you have 1964 penny that has those identical marks it's SMS Strike are those only spots or are there more black spots what about on reverse by "CENT"
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 Posted 02/28/2020  10:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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So if you have 1964 penny that has those identical marks it's SMS Strike

Not necessarily. There has been one person who came up with a cent that was an obvious business strike that was from the same reverse die as the SMS cent. So the dies may have been used for regular coinage after the SMS coins were made.
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 Posted 02/28/2020  1:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
There were less than 100 sets made of these. But the dies were continued to be used later. (they were retired after that special run. (Finding these in the wild would probably impossible as the sets were issued to just a few and they knew if was a special run. So I highly doubt anyone would have broken up these sets and spent them)
Probably the easiest marker on the cents is the lathe line on the steps on the reverse:
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These sets look different from Proofs/business strikes and accented hair examples:
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 Posted 02/29/2020  11:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Penny Thoughts to your friends list
I understand about chance that it would be but one thing that be at play is I have a place by my house that buys silver gold and I received from gas station across street from there being that rest of coins would have been silver I wonder one might ended up in somebody hands who ended up getting rid for silver so they broke set up and paid at gas station I happened to get as change I know it's crazy theory but the coin I have the marks and spots on there that match identically as well as color and overall look.
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 Posted 02/29/2020  2:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Penny Thoughts to your friends list
Looking closer the lathe are definitely much harder to see and I don't have a very good magnifying glass but I do think I see something but being my coin it might a wishful eye. Also looking closer at coin this coin has a lot of small signs of wear. A lot of Small Knicks and scratches with magnifying glass but also has the spots and the black lines smudges that are known to be there. Let me say also the Devices in "GOD" are not crisp but are squarish. The N in IN looks to be a DD or extends higher Then rest of letters. And the E in WE had something with top vertical line. Coin still looks like a mint coin without the normal reflective ness
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 Posted 02/29/2020  5:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
the lathe lines issues can seen on other coins as well:
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The issue with these is that the die blanks were finished before the ends were used, not finish polished on the edge of the blank. (removing these pesky lines)
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 Posted 02/29/2020  5:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Penny Thoughts to your friends list
I see those Lathe lines by Lincoln's face Easily And other places where there no devices with the magnifying glass I have now and I see lines in steps but I'm not able to tell as well because of steps it just not as distinguishable I will try and see if I can get better view with some better light later
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 Posted 02/29/2020  6:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Here is an enlarged image of the lathe lines in the 1964 SMS:
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 Posted 03/01/2020  4:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Penny Thoughts to your friends list
Without doubt I see those lathe lines in between pillars of Lincoln memorial but the steps I'm a little unsure of I starting more confident as I look closer to being sms
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Hate to say it Pennythoughts but the steps on your coin are a clear indication this is not an SMS coin. They are not clear and complete and the bottom ones towards the center are not well defined at all. This is an indication of Die Deterioration from producing a lot of coins.

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