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1984-D Cent, Possible 1980-81 Canadian Planchet?

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 Posted 07/09/2018  4:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list

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but I'm not stupid.


Nobody ever said you were.
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 Posted 07/09/2018  4:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Howard Black to your friends list
An aside: A few decades ago, we were beyond broke. Poverty would have been a huge leap of upward mobility. We did not realize it, but we were actually fairly well off -- if only we'd known.

My now late second ex-wife came into the marriage with a literal "box of rocks." Her uncle, or grandfather, would pick up a rock everywhere he traveled (Kind of like that Lucile Ball classic *drama* (I think "The Big Trailer").

They were not small rocks.

One day, she tells me that one of them is a meteorite. She said that was what he told her, and he was certain of it, I think she said he had it verified somewhere.

So, I looked at them. Intently. Finally, I said that if one of them IS a meteorite, it's this one.

We had a store. Cameras, computers, and repairs on both. One customer was a professor from the astronomy department at the local state university. I mentioned this to him, and he scoffed (I'm being polite here). I said, well, would you be willing to look at it anyway? He said sure.

So, I brought it down to the store, and he came in and took a look at it. His demeanor underwent an instant and dramatic change. He was just about drooling on it. (This was NOT a *small* meteorite. It was a "stony" type, probably close to ten pounds.)

He pleaded with us to "donate" it to the university (to his department, of course). He said they'd even give us a nice plaque, with our names and all.

We declined his generous offer.

It was not until at least a decade after she died that I found out the value of such things.

Still kicking myself over that.

When she completed her breakdown (I did not know she had been diagnosed schizophrenic until we'd been married several years), she walked out, and married a guy apparently more her equal, and a couple of years later, she died.

I'm pretty sure that all of those "stupid old rocks" are sitting in a ditch somewhere in rural Michigan.

With that memory lingering, I am reluctant to toss *this* thing back in the pond if there's the slightest chance that it's "Meteorite 2.0" for me.
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 Posted 07/09/2018  4:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Howard Black to your friends list

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"The only time the US Mint helped out by minting was in 1968 when they minted
about half of the Canadian dimes."


Then how did that quarter recently discovered come to be? (IIRC it was minted a decade or two ago, and has bits of a 1942 Canadian quarter showing through on the reverse, it got a fair amount of trade press coverage.)

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 Posted 07/09/2018  4:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list
Score it with a sharp instrument. It isn't unusual for coins to be a bit off on weight. Thick rolled planchets, extra plating layer, thick core, any small factor. I've had many 2.6 and a few 2.7 ones. Remember that tolerances are only "suggestions" for the proper weight...no one is going to jail because the law got violated now if it is too light or heavy, right?



PS, can't even fire the employee if it was indeed their screw-up!


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Then how did that quarter recently discovered come to be?

This was determined to be what is known as a "mint assisted error". The employee tossed a Canadian quarter in the Planchet hopper. This happens at times, is most all time INTENTIONAL! Some errors like the copper 1982D small date, was most likely unintentional, and because only one has surfaced in 35 years, was a fluke.
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07/09/2018 4:55 pm
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 Posted 07/09/2018  4:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Howard Black to your friends list
Here are some other examples of Canadian planchets used for US coins:

[From http://www.coinscan.com/mintingvari...foreign.html ]

Twenty-five cent struck on a planchet intended for a United States of America five cent coin.
Copper Nickel - 5.00 grams - 2000 *Estimated value $750.00*

Two dollars struck on a planchet intended for a United States of America one dollar coin.
Copper Zinc Manganese Nickel Clad Copper - 8.07 grams - 2000 *Estimated value $5,000.00*
More information on planchets produced for the United States of America by Canada

Also, see http://www.coinscan.com/for/usa.html -- they made planchets for US nickels in 1999, and dollars (the manganese type, not silver) in 2000.

I've read of others, but these are the first ones that popped up in a q/d web search.
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 Posted 07/09/2018  4:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Howard Black to your friends list

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"Score it with a sharp instrument."


Seriously?

Wouldn't it be more effective to put it on my drill press, or nail it to a tree and fire a round at it? <g>

(I can't tell if you're joking or serious!)

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 Posted 07/09/2018  4:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list
Howard, read my previous post, you can add in to yours instead of making a new one. And, you're talking Canuck, they seem to like doing these things, they're nutzy!

The US Mint is on camera and this behavior is frowned upon, they will get their pink slip boosh-coush!

BTW, quite serious. Score along the top of device near rim, like a split plate would, will not affect any value of a stinkin zinkin.
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07/09/2018 5:01 pm
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 Posted 07/09/2018  5:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Howard Black to your friends list
I am not wedded to the idea of it being a Canadian planchet. That just seemed to be too coincidental for comfort (their having used that exact weight a few years prior to my coin's minting,and the on-again/off-again quasi-incestuous relationship between the two nations' mints.

Other possibilities occurred to me, such as experimental planchets that were tried prior to the one they settled on in 1982.

Given their SOP (lots of experimentation), I would think it odd if they *didn't* experiment with a variety of planchets leading up to 1982 (and that's not even taking into account the 1974 aluminum coins).

And by the same token (ha ha, pun intended), I would be surprised if *every* last one of 'em was properly accounted for and destroyed prior to '82.

As to tolerances, they do indeed have tolerances, and this is way outside the tolerance range for that planchet (I don't have the numbers at the tip of my finger, but, I *did* check!)
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 Posted 07/09/2018  5:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Howard Black to your friends list
I guess I'll just pack it off to NGC.

Worst case, I lose a few bucks. A drop in the bucket when weighed against all the money I've lost over close to 3/4 of a century...
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 Posted 07/09/2018  5:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Howard Black to your friends list

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"will not affect any value of a stinkin zinkin."


Aye, there's the rub.

If I thought it was zinc, sure. But if I thought it was zinc, I wouldn't *need* to do that!

Bad game theory outcome. Lose/lose proposition. If it's zinc, I lose my time (and maybe my fingertip; pretty severe spinal damage -- you haven't been able to see me repairing any cameras for quite some time now). If it's NOT zinc, I lose a nontrivial amount of money.

So, I'll just send it in and let the big boys earn their keep. {To whoever has the magic, feel free to close this thread, and thanks for the convo!)
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 Posted 07/09/2018  5:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
@HB, first welcome to CCF. This has been an interesting thread to read, and I may have something to add, despite coming in a bit late. Specifically, could your balance be off a little? I understand that you have some high end photographic equipment, but if you are using a cheapo scale, then perhaps a little of the weight deviance is coming from your measurement tool.
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 Posted 07/09/2018  6:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Howard Black to your friends list
Well, yes, I *do* have a cheapo scale (I confess! I confess! :)

But... it shows the right weight for known zinc, and known copper cents.
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 Posted 07/09/2018  6:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
Here is my Two Cents worth, pre 1982 cents weight 3.11 grams +/- .13 grams.
Post 1982 weigh 2.5 grams +/- .13 grams
How would a Canadian planchet get into the US mint?
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 Posted 07/09/2018  6:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list
John1, In Dimwit the Die tech's pocket, of course!

They're only strip-searched when LEAVING!

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07/09/2018 6:46 pm
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 Posted 07/09/2018  7:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list

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And, you're talking Canuck, they seem to like doing these things, they're nutzy!

Crazyb0-
We may be Crazy Canucks but we ain't nutsy. At least we were smart enough to use steel on our 1 cent blanks instead of zinc.

Howard Black
Just to defend my statement so to speak,
your original post said that the US minted Canadian Coins as late as 2000. My reply was that they did not mint Canadian coins with the exception of the 68 dime.

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Here are some other examples of Canadian planchets used for US coins:

I am well aware of these oddball wrong planchet coins that have popped up from time to time.
These are not Canadian coins minted by the US Mint but coins struck on wrong planchets whether assisted or not.

That all being said, I hope that whatever the outcome, you keep us informed.
This is a teaching forum for everybody and I'm sure that we would
all like to hear the outcome favourable or not.
Good Luck with the results.
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