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Coin Worn Smooth - No Idea What It Was... (Id: 1797 British Penny)

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 Posted 07/17/2018  05:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bluesntwos to your friends list
Hi Spence, no offence taken. I was just explaining that I hadn't jumped onto the forum without doing some of my own research as I know from other forums that some people do. Unfortunately, as you can see, there are little identifying features left to go off apart from what you can see! I appreciate you taking the time to read my post.
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 Posted 07/17/2018  08:13 am  Show Profile   Check NumisRob's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add NumisRob to your friends list
I was thinking of a George III cartwheel penny from 1797 - these had a diameter of 36mm.

Or the George III 1798 Isle of Man penny - diameter 33mm:

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces37913.html
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 Posted 07/17/2018  1:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bluesntwos to your friends list
NumisRob - thanks for the info. It does appear to be an old coin, much older than the other coins I have which date from 1950 onwards. I'm assuming it has been through a good few hands to be smooth like that!
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 Posted 07/17/2018  1:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chafemasterj to your friends list
Welcome to the Forum bluesntwos. You've come to a phenomenal place to share and learn.

Just for grins I went on Numista and typed in 34 mm diameter and copper. I think there were ~3K matches. It's in there someplace.
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 Posted 07/17/2018  3:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bluesntwos to your friends list
Ha ha ha, I may be some time!
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 Posted 07/17/2018  5:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
With the broad rim and 34mm diameter, it surely must be a British "cartwheel" penny of 1797. I believe I can make out the outline of Britannia on the reverse - the middle picture needs to be rotated about 20 degrees anticlockwise.

They were actually struck from 1797 to 1799, all bearing the "1797" date.
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 Posted 07/17/2018  6:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bluesntwos to your friends list
Thanks for that, sounds interesting!
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 Posted 07/17/2018  6:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bluesntwos to your friends list
Apparently the cartwheel penny was meant to weigh its exact value in copper (one ounce) which equates to 28.34g. Mine weighs 25g. Hmmmm.
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 Posted 07/17/2018  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ryurazu to your friends list
Also think it is a cartwheel penny since the 2nd picture has a rasied rim, the weight should be roughly 7% less ballpark due to the wear.
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 Posted 07/17/2018  9:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
Thee coins were unpopular in circulation because they were so heavy - especially the twopence, which weighed exactly two avoirdupois ounces. But shopkeepers loved them, because they didn't have to buy as many one-ounce and two-ounce weights to use with their scales.

Less-than-honest shopkeepers liked heavily worn coins, of course, as they weighed less; the more worn, the better. Perhaps your coin was used by such a shopkeeper. Your coin also shows evidence of pitting and corrosion, so perhaps it was underground or underwater for some time, and subsequently cleaned.

Whatever the cause of the wear and corrosion, it is certain that a coin this badly worn and corroded would have lost considerable weight. So hearing the coin only weighs 25 grams instead of the regulation 28.35 grams does not surprise me or concern me.
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 Posted 07/18/2018  09:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bluesntwos to your friends list
Thank you everyone for taking the time to provide such informative replies. I have no intention of keeping the coin and was going to sell it. Unfortunately I don't have enough posts to sell it on here so if it is of interest to anyone who has commented, please make contact with me. Thanks again.
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 Posted 07/18/2018  09:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list
The value in this condition is such that you may as well keep it and use it as a cool paperweight :)
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 Posted 07/18/2018  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bluesntwos to your friends list
Ha ha fair enough. Thanks for the tip!
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