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1871 H 10 Cents. You Vs ICCS.

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 Posted 10/01/2018  09:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
40 seems a little conservative.
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 Posted 11/16/2018  9:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coin-Flipper to your friends list
Would that die break on "N" Canada add anything to the value?
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 Posted 11/16/2018  9:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Seriously undergraded. ICCS continues to thrive with outdated technology well into the 21st century. Their opinion is next to worthless for serious collectors.
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 Posted 11/17/2018  2:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheDeductible to your friends list
I'd go AU.

I don't send anything to ICCS. Waste of money imo. Easier to just write the grade on the 2x2.

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 Posted 11/17/2018  9:48 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list
Cut the flip - dip the coin (dilute the dip with distilled water 1:5, 20%)... then send it in with your next batch to ICCS...
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 Posted 11/19/2018  6:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TerryT to your friends list
It seems to me that the US collectors almost always grade higher than Canadian collectors. Just look at how ACG grades were once accepted as real, when they were always more than a whole grade lower than any other TPG.
That coin is an ugly EF, just check the wear at the bottom of the bust- AU would not have that. As SPP says, dip it.
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 Posted 12/01/2018  2:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheCoinHunter to your friends list
Not to say I haven't dipped coins in the past when I felt appropriate, but I generally try to keep coins in their original toned state. For one, because it makes the coin unique and I personally like toning (even ugly toning), but I do understand my view on toning represents the minority. Dipping can also expose other issues that may have toned over time. Saying that, I believe this is a good example (and an argument against those who claim ICCS is a "technical" grader) of a coin being net graded. A practice I generally dislike. Grade the coins properly and let the market decide how the coin will get penalized base on how nice or ugly it is. As many of you are familiar, I like to experiment with grading...So...I'll take it on. I'll "conserve it"...and resend...Stay tuned....
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 Posted 12/02/2018  11:48 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list
Dipping it in a diluted solution puts you more in control - I never dip a coin in pure coin dip... it is way too harsh. A 10% dip solution (10 parts distilled pater for 1 part coin dip) will take some of the harshness off the obverse, without making it a blast white coin...

Find some crappy melt-grade silver coins and practice with different dilution rates... even a 5% dip solution (20 parts distilled water to 1 part coin dip) can make a difference without shocking the coin...
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 Posted 12/12/2018  11:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheCoinHunter to your friends list
I think this is as good as it's going to get.

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 Posted 12/12/2018  4:11 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list
Yup - don't push this one any further....
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 Posted 12/13/2018  11:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheCoinHunter to your friends list
That's a pretty good tip actually. I find 5% is too weak but anywhere between 10-20 with my solution seems ok. I guess it would depend on what brand of product one uses too.
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 Posted 12/13/2018  1:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list
The undipped coin looks like a higher grade than the dipped coin.

That said, ICCS may give it an ef 45, because I believe they are very conservative when they grade a dark coin.

In my opinion, zero chance for an AU.
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 Posted 12/13/2018  2:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Optimist-numismatist to your friends list
IMO AU-50 would be over grading it
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 Posted 01/21/2019  3:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheCoinHunter to your friends list
Well...We made slight progress....

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 Posted 01/21/2019  6:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coin-Flipper to your friends list
Cool!
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