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New Member With Error Coin - 1988 Penny

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 Posted 02/09/2019  4:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
Search box upper left of page,lots of info.
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 Posted 02/09/2019  5:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list
First,

Rich, I think I see what you noticed. First, there is a large blob on Lincoln's cheek. Is that the second layer you mentioned?

Cents minted from mid-1982 to date are copper-plated zinc. Zinc is a terrible metal for coins, especially after they have been in circulation a while. When zinc oxidizes, it tends to develop a grainy surface. (Think how rough the surface of a galvanized steel fence looks after a couple years.)

The copper plating is extremely thin, and frequently bubbles or cracks. This allows the zinc to oxidize, causing the copper layer to bubble even more.

The "blob" on Lincoln's cheek could be one of two things. Most likely, it could be a plating bubble, caused by oxidation of the zinc beneath the bubble. If so, this is just damage the coin received in circulation. Less likely, it could be a die chip, which would be caused by damage the die sustained before this coin was minted. If so, it would be solid metal, rather than a soft bubble. Without damaging the coin, are you able to tell whether this blob is hard or soft?

Second, you took closeup pictures of part of the reverse, showing a layer between the word UNITED and the rim. Would you be willing to post a picture showing the entire reverse?

Thanks!
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 Posted 02/09/2019  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Richfxs79 to your friends list
How you doing fort colins. Having worked in foundry for 35 years I'm aware of zinc, copper , brass etc. As I have stated it's double plated. I could take the his off like a mask if I wanted to. Look at the word liberty. The LIB in LIBERTY WERE MISSING on reverse the monument looks like jail bars. I know what I have and it's not a zinc bubble. I could take the 1988 the D and every other letter off this coin and arrange it so it would look like a Stencel as well as the reverses. The Lincoln monument is a copy of what's underneath. As for the words they are under a layer of copper which seems to be pressed on top of them.
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 Posted 02/09/2019  9:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Richfxs79 to your friends list
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Ok maybe this will provide some clarity
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 Posted 02/10/2019  01:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Richfxs79 to your friends list
Nothin huh. I'll let ya know what PCGS thinks I'm about a month. Maybe!!
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 Posted 02/10/2019  04:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
IMHO,do not waste your money on PCGS. But if you do,please let us know what they say.
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 Posted 02/10/2019  09:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cookiemonster to your friends list
if you have not sent it out yet ,I would say you can take it to your local dealer or look for a coin club near you. if someone can see it in hand they maybe able to tell you what you have . and please get back to us and let us know how you made out.good luck and happy hunting
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 Posted 02/10/2019  1:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Richfxs79 to your friends list
That I will Cookie Monster, John1 now you tell me, (I know I didn't ask) What would of been a better option for me to take? Yes I'm very green at this as I'm sure you all can tell, But as cookie monster has stated, I wish you guys could of held it in you hands or looked at it under a scope, as stated earlier I could of taken Lincoln's face off like a mask. The same goes for the Lincoln Memorial. Last photo you can see the second one on top of the first. I'll try to tweak the photos I have for better visibility. The app to get photos under 300k does not have save option once I reformat.
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 Posted 02/11/2019  8:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cookiemonster to your friends list
just to put it out there ,try not to take stuff to heart ,people try to help each other ,if you ask, don't get mad at someone trying to help you. john1 didn't have to say anything but you asked. good luck and happy hunting
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 Posted 02/12/2019  11:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Richfxs79 to your friends list
Ok cookiemonster, Sorry if I came across the wrong way guys..
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 Posted 02/13/2019  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DrDon to your friends list
Richfxs79:
First thing: I have seen this before. In hand and under magnification.
It is damaged. The letters and columns have been flattened and "bulged out" which gives the appearance of layering.
The lack of a copper layer around the rim is the result of something rubbing or scraping it off.
These two conditions are often noted on coins that have been stuck in a clothe dryer. We call these " Dryer Coins"
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 Posted 02/15/2019  3:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Richfxs79 to your friends list
DrDon I don't doubt you have seen something like it, but you haven't held this one. It is as described in previous posts. Not sure why it's not believable. Ok, so as I have said before it has letters on top of letters, a Lincoln face on top of the other, the monument has one on top of it also. It's not just smashed. It's LAYERED.I could pull his face off to prove my point and lay it beside the coin but why would I. I'm not trying to be disrespectful but I'm telling everyone what I have and I'm being told I don't have what I'm saying. Thanks for reaching out but I have to respectfully disagree
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 Posted 02/15/2019  4:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
It's just a damaged coin as stated before. It might not be what you wanted to hear, but it's 100% correct and true.
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 Posted 02/15/2019  4:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
Richfxs79,
Send it to ANACS and let us know what they say please.
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 Posted 02/15/2019  8:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Richfxs79 to your friends list
Well dam E&V you sure?Damaged huh?Looked like around a MS67 maybe MS68 to me,but you say (damaged). So is an error coin as you say damaged somehow? EV yes it is a damaged coin I agree with you,but you haven't held it in your hand to see what I have so stop telling me WHAT YOU THINK I HAVE! AS for me maybe I'll throw a hand full of pennies in the dryer to see what the heck your talking about. #129303;. Side by side pictures to follow my coin hunter friends. You guys are the best
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