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Cleaning PVC Damage On Bronze Coins

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 Posted 08/19/2008  06:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arthrene to your friends list
Yup. Looks like verdigris.
Check out these two threads:
https://goccf.com/t/30324&whichpage=1 - testing out "BadThad's magic elixir" pictures included
https://goccf.com/t/33105&whichpage=1 - how to buy "BadThad's magic elixir"
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 Posted 08/19/2008  06:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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I once had a canadian silver dollar that was just as badly covered in PVC that had hardened on the coin

The difference is silver dollars don't get verdigris except under extremely rare circumstances.

Another green is leather crud, where leather has deteriorated. It will come off with your fingernail.
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 Posted 08/19/2008  2:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
True that Acetone does not always work. What it appears to be on the coins from the photos is exposure to a Sulfate. Sulfur in the form of an Acid will attack Copper to form a dark greenish discoloration and if in enough quantities even lumpyness. If this is a Sulfate or Sulfite problem, try soaking in distilled water for a few days. Copper Sulfate, CuSO4, is soluable and will just dissolve off. If it's a Verdigris from exposure to an Acetate, it too may loose some of the contamination. Regardless, from what I see on the photos it appears that when that corrosion is removed, there will be massive markings left from that.
If you use Acetone, always remember to test it by allowing some to evaporate on a clean glass dish. If any residue, discard as contaminated. Also, when trying any method do not use metal or plastic containers.
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 Posted 08/19/2008  5:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
Also remember that nail polish remover is acetone plus a bunch of other crap like fragrances, softeners, etc. NEVER use it to clean coins.

The reason the standard rule is "Don't clean coins" is because the first step is to know what it is you're trying to remove.

In most cases, you'll do far more irreversible damage by cleaning a coin the wrong way than you'll ever improve it. Not to mention wasting your time instead of letting the buyer deal with it.
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 Posted 08/19/2008  6:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Archraz to your friends list
Thanks for the input, everyone! I still won't throw in teh towel on this one just yet though. So, we'll see what happens.
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 Posted 08/23/2008  10:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Brewzz to your friends list
I have a bottle of that MS70 stuff.It is just an industrial strength soap.I have tried it on verdigris copper.You let it soak for a few minutes and massage with a q-tip.It removed most of the green but left the toning ok...I tried it on a spare Peace dollar that had black crap all over it and it made it look much better,not like it was dipped.I don't think I would ever use it on any of my Special coins though...
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 Posted 08/23/2008  2:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Brewzz to your friends list
After reading the thread on BadThad's solution,I would use that over anything else.Looks really good...

as always,
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 Posted 08/23/2008  5:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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Also remember that nail polish remover is acetone plus a bunch of other crap like fragrances, softeners, etc. NEVER use it to clean coins.

But you failed to mention how nice the coins could end up smelling. And just what is wrong with a soft coin?
Meanwhile, just to play safe, try the safest, cheapest, methods first. Since you may already have the Acetone, try leaving it in a little longer. Now here is something I read but it never worked for me. Placing your coin in Acetone in a clear glass container and placing it in the sun light.
Try a soaking in distilled water. Again, nothing to loose and you can always use distilled water for other things.
Additional attempts to remove that contamination may result in permanent damage but if you insist on trying, here are a few other things that may or may not work. A little Lemon or Lime Juice, or Tomato Juice or even Ketchup. Now the problem here is these items are acidic so the mild acid may remove that stuff but will make the entire coin looked cleaned. Some people swear by using Olive Oils to remove junk on coins. I usually swear at them though.
I repeat that the removal of the stuff on your coin may proof to be a bad mistake.
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 Posted 08/23/2008  11:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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nothing to loose and you can always use distilled water for other things.

Like watering plants or washing your hands.

Any time you use anything to clean something, it's now contaminated. Use fresh.
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 Posted 08/26/2008  3:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Archraz to your friends list
Thanks for the input everyone!
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 Posted 08/26/2008  4:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisMattyUk to your friends list
Is it me or does PVC residue sometimes have a sweet smell to it?
I thought of chocolate when I smelled it the first time..
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08/26/2008 4:14 pm
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 Posted 08/26/2008  9:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Archraz to your friends list
NumisMattyUk- interesting. I have never tried to smell it. hmmm
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 Posted 08/26/2008  11:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Archraz to your friends list
Update: I kept it submerged in distilled water for about a day, and the coin turned a light orange-ish color. So I pulled it out thinking that the water may have softened the green grime/sediment. After drying I found that no green color could be wiped off of it, and it returned to nearly the same greenish color as it had been before. I was a bit baffled and just threw it back into the water. Now I see it in the container, and it is now orange-ish again. What do you guys make of this?
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 Posted 08/27/2008  10:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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Like watering plants or washing your hands.

Watering plants will get you very little growth. Plants usually need the garbage in tap water but not the salts from a water softener.

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Is it me or does PVC residue sometimes have a sweet smell to it?
I thought of chocolate when I smelled it the first time..

Not sure but possibly if the PVC is brown or black it may have been made in a Mars Candy factory.

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Now I see it in the container, and it is now orange-ish again. What do you guys make of this?

Sounds like the coin is getting tired of being played with and sends out that color to make you irritated.
That is odd though. Are you sure it's not the lighting? Also, if distilled water and Acetone will not remove a contamination on a coin, additional more sever solutions will probably do more damage. The contamination sounds like it is now part of the coin and removing it will leave gauges or hollowed out places where that contamination was.
So further attempts to remove any contaminations depends on the actual value of any coins. I've had fantastic luck with jewlery cleaners from Walmart in removing fingerprints from Copper coins. HOWEVER, those were rather recent prints I would suspect since prints on coins for a long time usually etch themselves into the coins.
Your now at the point of trying all those items people try when the value of a coin is of no concern. Lemon Juice, Tomato Juice, Olive Oils, Vinegar and just about anything else around the kitchen. Just remember if the coins start to smell good, don't eat them.
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 Posted 08/27/2008  3:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisMattyUk to your friends list

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NumisMattyUk- interesting. I have never tried to smell it. hmmm
Why not have a go next time?
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