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Quote: ...it might become a plastic of some sort, who knows. Doubtful. The Zinc lobby is a big reason why it remains. The truth is that plastic might even cost more than zinc (not just the material, but hidden cost of needing all new equipment to "strike" them). The Cent... Should is go? YES! Will it go? Meh. 
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Quote: I've heard the are planning on bringing back the 2, 3 and 20 cent coins too. Seriously or are you joking? I think it would be pretty cool if they did. 
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Getting rid of the 1 cent is easy, indeed, inevitable as many have stated - inflation is an unavoidable fact of modern economics, the removal of low denomination coins is a symptom of inflation, not a cause. Most countries with currencies of similar value to the US dollar have already abolished their cent-equivalents.
Getting rid of the 5 cent piece is harder in America (and Canada) that it would be elsewhere, because of your 25 cent piece - it would be impossible to "make change" properly if the 10 cent and 25 cent were the smallest denominations. For a practical currency system, America and Canada would have to do one of two things: - replace the 25 cent coin with a 20 cent coin, and round prices to the nearest 10 cents. - abolish both the 5 cent and 10 cent, and round prices to the nearest 25 cents.
Introducing new lower denominations like a 2 cent or 3 cent coin would only delay the inevitable; such coins would only be issued for a few years before they too would be uneconomical to produce.
To those who say "the Mint is still making a profit on the other denominations, so why change it?", the obvious answer is: yes, the Mint is making a profit now. The Mint could make even more profit if it stopped wasting maney making negative-profit coins.
Suppose it costs 2 cents to make a 1 cent coin, and you make a billion 1 cent coins per year. That's a billion cents lost - $10,000,000 that the government could have spent somewhere else, instead of producing a loss-making coin that nobody ever actually wants to use as money any more. For most countries, deciding to stop making loss-making coins is a no-brainer.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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If the government started getting rid of things that are of little/no value, let along unprofitable, there are tens of millions of government employees that would be out of a job.
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We as a country are slow to change...but we need to deal with reality...get rid of the penny as we did 160 years ago with the half-Cent. Rounding on cash purchases can be alleviated for those below the poverty level with a tax credit of $XX dollars. How many cash purchases can one make in a day...a month...a year. Can't be more than 5...5 x 365 = 1,825 purchases x .04 cents maximum loss = $73 tax credit.
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Quote: Rounding on cash purchases can be alleviated for those below the poverty level with a tax credit Yeah, let's involve some more bureaucracy. I'm sure that will make everything much simpler.  How, exactly, would that be tracked? Also, why only for people below poverty level? Quote: yes, the Mint is making a profit now. The Mint could make even more profit if it stopped wasting maney making negative-profit coins. The Mint doesn't exist to make profit and less so to maximize profit. It exists to make coins. I'm surprised no one has mentioned the BEP. What's the profit margin on a $100 bill? Contrary to what may be popular belief, one cent coins do actually circulate and are used in transactions in both directions. If we were to eliminate them, then there is the rounding question. Up or down and exactly how? Oh, great, more regulations and enforcements...I love those.  Rounding reminds me a lot of high-frequency trading and skimming fractions of cents off the top, except it would be several full cents going into the business's pocket and out of the consumer's. Think about that. If the cent were eliminated, every cash transaction could be rounded up a maximum of four cents in the right situations simply for the lack of having a one cent coin to give change. Who does that help? (Hint: not the consumer) As a side note, if we really want to get rid of the cent, then we should probably get rid of charging less than a cent for anything first. Quote: The cent is here to stay, it might become a plastic of some sort, who knows. It will all be plastic eventually. 
In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020 In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020 In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
Edited by spru 05/24/2019 02:06 am
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Quote: The Mint doesn't exist to make profit and less so to maximize profit. It exists to make coins. It exists to make coins, but it is also required to show a profit. Why not maximize that profit? Quote: I'm surprised no one has mentioned the BEP. What's the profit margin on a $100 bill? Huge, that's why no one has really pushed to stop making hundred dollar notes.  Quote: If we were to eliminate them, then there is the rounding question. Up or down and exactly how? Almost every business out there already uses electronic cash registers, and the already have the rounding software built into them. Flip a few switches and it will round up or down to the nearest $0.05 after the sales tax is applied. The up/down rounding will even out, and frankly the public will never even notice it. Probably 99.9% simply pay what the register/cashier tells them. I don't know anyone who after getting their total, adds it up themselves, adds the tax and then makes sure they haven't been overcharged one or Two Cents. Quote: Rounding reminds me a lot of high-frequency trading and skimming fractions of cents off the top, except it would be several full cents going into the business's pocket and out of the consumer's. Think about that. If the cent were eliminated, every cash transaction could be rounded up a maximum of four cents in the right situations simply for the lack of having a one cent coin to give change. This would require NOT using the registers built in rounding, and then looking the customer in the eye and quoting them a price HIGHER than what the register shows they owe. Then having to explain to the customer why they are charging them more. Getting the customer to agree to it. And then repeating the whole process over again with the next customer. Then generates a lot of unhappy customers. Meanwhile your competitor uses the automated rounding, their register lines move faster, and they have lower prices and happy customers. Oh and by the way it is the SALES TAX that gets rounded up or down, and the register tracks and reports how much tax was collected and needs to be remitted to the state, so with the automated rounding the business doesn't make or lose anything. If the state audits the business it is going to be the register records it is checking.
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ANA member - PAN Member - BCCS Member There are no problems only solutions - the late, great John Lennon
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Sap and Conder 101... Mic drop.... 
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Quote: Oh and by the way it is the SALES TAX that gets rounded up or down, and the register tracks and reports how much tax was collected and needs to be remitted to the state, so with the automated rounding the business doesn't make or lose anything. The sales tax does create fractions of a cent by nature, but pricing in stores in based on the availability of a one cent increment structure. So, if the cent were removed, do you think price tags would change? Keep in mind that not all items are subject to sales tax. In Texas, most food is not taxed. Several states have no sales tax. How then, can a store charge $1.98 for, say, a can of tuna? The price needs to be adjusted and I don't think it's a big mystery which direction the price will be rounded.
In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020 In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020 In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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Quote: So, if the cent were removed, do you think price tags would change? I do not think so. Electronic payment would still be to the cent and since that accounts for ~85% of retail transactions I doubt those pricing gimmicks will change. Did the pricing gimmicks change in Canada? They have been sans cent several years now.
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Quote: This is a healthy discussion that needs addressed from time to time. Problem is it gets addressed about once a month. Sometimes more often. Quote: How then, can a store charge $1.98 for, say, a can of tuna? If food isn't taxed you would pay $2.00, if it is then tax is applied and then rounded (up 2 cents). Where I live sales tax is 7% so it would be $2.12 after tax and rounded to $2.10 (down 2 cents) If you bought two cans of the tuns it would be $3.96 and with no tax it would round down one cent to $3.95 If there is tax then $4.24 and it rounds to 4.25 up one cent. It IS possible to adjust prices so as to always round up, but ONLY if everyone never buys more than one item at a time. If you buy multiple items or several different items you will be back in the situation where sometimes it will round up, and sometimes round down, Trying to play with your prices to make them always round up will just result in you competitor being able to leave his alone and undercut you and take your customers.
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Quote: Problem is it gets addressed about once a month. Sometimes more often. No problem with that . We are always having new members coming aboard that want to talk or ask about that subject . After all if the U.S. does away with the Cent and Nickel it will effect every coin collector in the country . 
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Quote: Trying to play with your prices to make them always round up will just result in you competitor being able to leave his alone and undercut you and take your customers. Exactly. Take care of your customers or someone else will. 
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