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1972-D LMC Doubled Die Obverse - WDDO-004

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 Posted 08/05/2019  10:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CarlOmaha to your friends list
Levelsofmadnes,

I've heard BlueRidgeSilverhound speak of you.

I would think that the circulated wear of this coin would lend towards the splits not being as well defined as a better-condition coin. How about you?

Here is the reverse, zoomed out. No close ups of reverse, yet. Just ask, if desired.


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 Posted 08/05/2019  10:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CarlOmaha to your friends list
WDDO-001, 003 and 004 "are" very similar. I'll have another look around at the die markers and see if I can spot any.
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 Posted 08/05/2019  10:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter27 to your friends list
Awesome find!

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 Posted 08/05/2019  10:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add levelsofmadnes to your friends list
Very nice find indeed,,,

nice pictures too

1972 and 1972 D I think are every ones favorite to CRH
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 Posted 08/05/2019  11:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverCents to your friends list
You certainly do find a lot of varieties when it comes to the early 70s.
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 Posted 08/05/2019  11:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
Very nice DDO!
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 Posted 08/05/2019  11:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hole_in_pocket to your friends list
definitely a DDO! great find!
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 Posted 08/05/2019  11:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list
I love the 1972 D&S doubled dies, they are underrated and not often hunted for. They equal the strength of many of the Philly DDOs and are quite attractive.
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 Posted 08/05/2019  11:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
You taking the images the way that shows the doubling, but if you can move you light source a bit higher, it would help remove the glare on the edges of the devices. Maybe a sheet or two to bond paper to filter the glare and reduce the excess light. (when I see glare I wonder what it is hiding in that area, hidden by the light)
Lighting is better over the top of the devices:
1972-D-LMC-Doubled-Die-Obverse---WDDO-004

Another way to ID a doubled die is to look close at die scratches on the devices on the attributed dies, then compare these with your coin to see if anything matches. I usually like to see three different markers to confirm a die, usually in different locations. Also it is not WDDO-002. Why? The direction is different on the doubling.
Just noticed also that coppercoins, CONECA (Variety Vista) and Wexler has the same numbers for 001-004 for all three sites for the same dies.
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 Posted 08/06/2019  12:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CarlOmaha to your friends list
Thanks Everyone for the pats on the back!

And thanks Coop, for the lighting tips. I have a Celestron microscope with the LED lights.

The LED's point straight down, of course. I use another light coming from the side to get different exposures for the camera.

The pics above of the entire coin are with the LED's on the scope. The others are by using the light (non-LED) from the left of the coin.

I have big trouble with nickel clad coins and the reflections from the light. Same with the newer, Red coins.

I'm open to any and all tricks for better images. I wish I could get ones like on Wexler's web page. I'm sure he's got a much better scope than I have.

I'll try the light source farther away from the coin.

Here are the very, first closer pics that I took with the LED's on the scope (dimmed down):


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 Posted 08/06/2019  08:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Great find and congrats!
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 Posted 08/06/2019  09:39 am  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list
DDO-001, late Stage C
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 Posted 08/06/2019  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
What works for better image is light and shadows. A single light source is better as it lets the light fall over the devices instead of spotlighting or flowing the images with light. With the light turned down the images are better. Is the light source hot to the touch? Of not, you would block off some of the lights with dark tape. But if it is hot this won't work it would just melt the tape. My scope I had a light system, that lasted for one day until I realized it wasn't going to work. I removed and added something that works better for my purpose.
1972-D-LMC-Doubled-Die-Obverse---WDDO-004
You just have to try different things until you find what works better. But for now the dimmer amount of the is better than what you were using before.
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 Posted 08/06/2019  7:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CarlOmaha to your friends list
Tropicalbats is correct!!

I found die markers on the reverse matching DDO-001 Stage C on CONECA.

A die scratch at the "S"&"T" in STATES. A curved die scratch in the "N" in CENT and with a 16X Loup, I can just make out the die clash behind Lincoln's head. The scope won't pick it up in any light, but tilting the coin in the light under the Loup shows it.

Thanks, tropicalbats, for pointing me in the right direction to look further! I'd love to know how you could have been so, certain without having the coin in hand.
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 Posted 08/06/2019  10:34 pm  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list
Mintmark position and slight tilt clockwise place it as DDO-001. Diagonal die scratch through right leg of R in LIBERTY verifies it. Die state is pretty much MDS, die clash just barely visible around Y of LIBERTY, and mushiness of IN put it at stage C. The DDO-001 part one can be sure of from your images, the stage C part is a bit more arbitrary but seemed right.

It's a nice find and congrats!
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