1965 5 Cent Nickel Possible New Variety? Long Post With Pics

I can see now it does indeed look like, as you say, a different 5, I wish you best of luck in getting some recognition. Thank you for sharing this, you put in a great deal of work and energy to prove your discovery, and I can see it now. The Gap is the tell.

What the heck I'll go through my 65's to see if I find any in next few days,! I'll be looking for a larger gap in the 5

The notching and doubling of the 5 is what catches my attention- any other elements on the reverse show this?

That's cool that you caught this!

A very interesting post! I like the GIF too!

SPP-Ottawa, I was playing with the idea that it could simply be a DDR but since I do not have full knowledge on how to identify one and no one really said anything I overlooked most of it and planned to look further into the doubling later (while keeping it in mind) what throws me off completely is that when I was working on the full coin overlay witch I will post here shortly, if I match the beaver and waterlines completely it looks fine, but when I zoom out all the lettering, numbers and leaves shift location while the beaver stays dead center. To the best of my knowledge when a die is made it has all the lettering/beaver ect together, but from the overlay I am working on it made it look like the beaver was struck first THAN the lettering 2 leaves and date were struck second (i know that is most likely not how it is done) but it looks like it due to everything being in the wrong place accept for the beaver and waterlines, I could see the doubling having a play in this but from the amount of shifting you will see the doubling does not seem to add up compared to how much everything shifts. The more I seem to dig into this coin the more questions I end up having example.

- How does a DDR only effect certain letters numbers on a coin while still making the font/lettering smaller than a standard BU Coin without doubling.
- If the die made for the reverse of a coin is made all in one go how does everything NOT match accept for the Beaver and waterlines in the center.

those are just my 2 main questions right now but I do understand there are probably a few answers for those questions, like Machine Doubling can make devices look smaller (although by the sounds of it this is not MD and is a DDR) but even than DDR's usually make the lettering thicker in a sense even in Mint state. Again I do not have full knowledge on DDR's/ DDO's but I do have a sense of how they work.

Hi John Wayne007.
I thought I would share my findings with you but hate to tell you that it's not a new find.
There are more that one die repunched 5.
One RP 5 has a double HP with no toe doubling on back foot and no CE doubling . Another RP 5 has a double H with hubbing or extra toe with notching on the CE. But the best RP 5 I like has the
Concentric lathe lines on it that can only be used as a die marker.One die maybe called a re-punched 5 but another one may well be called a re worked die and another should be called a doubled die.
All come with hevey cameo a little cameo or no cameo. It is fun to come across a new coin but the differences are so small and minor that the hunt continues.

My mistake I meant KG the designers initials.
There was multiple dies used and not everyone is the same.

After a very long 7 months worth of searching I have finally found what I was looking for and can now give a thorough update on the 1965 Canadian 5 Cent nickel with different 5's!

I feel like this hunch of mine has finally paid off to say the least, through my research I have confirmed the 1965 Doubled Die Reverse by finding quite the few (to me fairly common now as I have found more than 2 full rolls).

There was speculations that the smaller 5 I was seeing was merely due to the Doubled Die, however I have found an example that I believe to be from an SMS Set, as the queen on the obverse has frosting with a mirror like field, but the kicker with this one is it is NOT a DDR and the 5 is still Smaller than that of the normal circulation business strike for 1965.


Here is a photo of the 1965 Regular Business Strike.




Now the following photo is of the 1965 Regular Business Strike, but with the DDR (lighting somewhat hides the notch in the 5 but it is there)




Now I will show a photo of the original 1965 SMS 5 Cent Small 5 DDR I showed when I started this post a few months ago. The Following coin is the one that was speculated to be smaller only due to the Doubling.



This following photo is the 1965 5 Cent SMS Small 5 with No doubling at all on the reverse proves to me that the size was never due to the doubling.



Last but not least, if you cannot see the difference yet, here is the Regular Business Strike, side by side with the SMS Small 5.



So in total, my research has me convinced that there are not 1, not 2, not 3 or 4 but 5 different varieties for the 1965 Canadian 5 Cent Coin.

1965 5 Cent - Small Beads
1965 5 Cent - Large Beads
1965 5 Cent - Doubled Die Reverse (regular 5)
1965 5 Cent - SMS DDR Small 5
1965 5 Cent - SMS Small 5


All photos included have been taken from 90 degrees from the same height with the light pointed from 90 degrees as well.


Edit: I should say there are 6 varieties, as the 1965 SMS from what I have seen are also regular 5's and only some having the small 5.