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State Of The Economy And Coin Prices

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 Posted 10/03/2008  5:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add desertgem to your friends list

Just came from my friend's gold,silver, diamond exchange/coin store, and there were sellers of Grandpa's coins to make ends meet this month.s rent. They said they were selling the lesser stuff, proof sets, War Nickels, whitman folders,etc. Next month,they may dip into the morgans.
One of the Lincoln's #1 folder had a price for the missing 1914-D of $42 written in the blank, so it was put together a long time ago, but circulated, no key stuff.

My county in Calif. has the highest unemployment rate of the state. 19.2% in May 2008. So many are selling what ever they can come up with. Sad situation.

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 Posted 10/03/2008  5:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add onejinx to your friends list
New Hampshire has no state income tax or sales tax. We have alot of out of state people who come shopping here.

But the property tax sucks!!
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 Posted 10/03/2008  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
So in New Hampshire, property owners bear all of the burden? That does not seem to be fair at all.
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 Posted 10/03/2008  6:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add onejinx to your friends list
I agree it isn't fair. But NH has alot of vaction/second homes that people from other states own. Anyone with lake front property gets taxed extra hard.

Our property tax runs about $2,600 a year for our town. The houses that I paint on the lakefront have tax bills around $30-40K a year. Almost every house I have painted in the last 5 years has been a second/vacation home for rich people from other states. I welcome them to keep buying. The builder that I work for has 3 more houses already sold and waiting to be built. The lowest price house he offers starts at $2.5 million.

It's good for people from Mass and Maine. They can come shopping and pay no taxes. We have alot of Canadians who come down and go shopping also. And now with their dollar worth more than ours, they come even more.
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 Posted 10/03/2008  7:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add acidic1 to your friends list
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 Posted 10/03/2008  8:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list

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Our property tax runs about $2,600 a year for our town
Anyone who bought here recently can expect $16K+ per year for a SFR. As expected, tax liens are rife.


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How will the recent collapse of the financial system and the recession affect coin prices and investments?
Just my quick take that I'm noticing more collectors selling coins to maintain cashflow. If we do see a banking lockup, I expect a big dump on the market, particularly bullion-grade coins.
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 Posted 10/04/2008  10:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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Anyone who bought here recently can expect $16K+ per year for a SFR. As expected, tax liens are rife.
In Old Soviet California, they put lien on you!

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 Posted 10/04/2008  1:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list

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In Old Soviet California, they put lien on you!

There's some truth to that. Luckily, the property I own was bought long ago. Here the irony is that despite the property tax windfall for 1998-2006, the state has yet another budgetary crisis. Beyond belief.

That flag is funny...appropriate for the city of Berkeley and other faux-progressive (nimbyist) towns. However, the bear flag is a nice piece of California history which originated in a popular uprising against Spanish colonial rule--nearby in Sonoma.
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 Posted 10/10/2008  01:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add florida to your friends list
I'm happy with 6.5% sales tax and 0 income tax. Unhappy with having to sell off the majority of the collection last year, but we won't get into that
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 Posted 10/10/2008  11:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list


I just looked at the Dow Jones Industrial Average range for today:
7882.51 - 8687.11


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 Posted 10/10/2008  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list

8K now...about where I expected; do I hear 7800 on close?
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Quote: In Old Soviet California, they put lien on you!

Good old socialist California. I expect pretty soon they will start taxing our rare coin investments as well. Nice thing is, they don't know what I have nor will they ever. Cache and GPS sounds pretty good to me.
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 Posted 10/10/2008  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list
Haha...if I cherrypick a coin for $5 and sell for $100, the IRS, SFTB needn't know
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 Posted 10/11/2008  04:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkb to your friends list
"How will the recent collapse of the financial system and the recession affect coin prices and investments?"

On the short term (the next year or two), this is hard to say. Some folks may be forced to sell to raise cash. But probably, demand will slow down more than anything as folks conserve cash or limit discretionary spending - as they already have done - at least for the lower end material. Bullion (or coinage treated as bullion) is holding well, and should continue to do so and should continue to move up in value. Longer term, looks like there will be much in the way of inflation, and if the inflation is high enough (which it likely will be), then there is the possibility of heightened demand for coins as folks look for any asset with which to preserve value. I would not be surprised to see cumulative inflation on the order of a hundred percent or more over the next few years. Presumably wages will go up too, but not as much as overall prices for things in general. Something has to change in order to repatriate manufacturing back to the US because of the damage being caused by massive trade deficits of the past few years. One way to repatriate manufacturing without legislating trade tariffs is through readjusting the value of currency. A good example of how this can work can be seen in the price of oil when it reached over $140 per barrel. At that price level, the cost of shipping goods from China negated any advantage to manufacturing over there for some businesses. As a result, some US manufacturers closed shop in China and returned to the US. But its only a trickle at this point.

As for investments, seems like "everyone" is selling right now. A mini panic seems to have set in. This is only making things worse, as it feeds on itself. So, it will be hard to find any investment that will do good over the next few months. I expect coins to hold up much better than stocks or bonds or whatever, and so far they have. Fortunately, coins can't be disposed of as easily and quickly as stocks can, and it takes many months for any notable changes in pricing to work its way to collectors.
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