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What Does A Woody Copper Coin Look Like When It's Still Red/Uncirculated?

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 Posted 12/18/2019  10:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
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But the rolling lines are not seen until the BU goes away on the copper Memorial planchets. On the zinc cents you can see the rolling lines on them in BU:
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Here is an off center that show the lines stronger on the un-struck area. But still visible on the struck area, just not as strong looking.
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 Posted 12/19/2019  01:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MontCollector to your friends list

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I will have to see if I can find a photo of one I have.


While this coin is from Canada and not graded it looks to be UNC or high AU in hand. It is also the most noticeable woody in my collection.
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 Posted 12/19/2019  02:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list
OOOoooo nice coin, MontCollector!
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 Posted 12/19/2019  07:39 am  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list
They are visible as a light greenish/chartreuse hue. True, not super obvious and not as pretty as a true toned coin but interesting. I have been too busy to post images and that will continue through most of today but will try to dig one out when I get a chance.
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 Posted 12/19/2019  08:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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I understand all that, but you're not saying why the nature of a woody's making would cause it to be non-visible in a b.u. but visible in a circulated. Do you think it's kind of like actual wood, where the soils and oils of circulation serve as stain and varnish, bringing out grain much more starkly than visible on a virginal coin?

Yes that is basically it. When it is red and new the color difference between a stripe that is 96% copper 4% zinc, and one that is 94% copper 6% zinc (and the difference in composition may not be that great). But as oxidation sets in and the stripes tone at slightly different rtes over time the color difference becomes greater.
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 Posted 12/19/2019  3:45 pm  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list
I also never saw an uncirculated Lincoln woody, and I suspect it's as @Conder101 said, because of differences in toning over time. But I was curious if there were ones that were really visible in mint state, so I did a search in the Heritage archives and found these, all straight graded by PCGS or NGC. The 1913-P is pretty subtle, and it's possible that it would have gotten more pronounced in circulation.

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 Posted 12/19/2019  4:40 pm  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list
I know I have some gem red woodies but they would be in my tube of toned coins which is out with a collector going through it right now. They don't look much like a woody but can have nice colors so I file them that way.

However, I did find an MS coin just starting to tone to RB which sort of shows what they look like. The regular allow will show as regular color, in this case RB, while the more brassy parts will show as a yellow/green chartreuse. This example isn't perfect, but it shows it enough to demonstrate what a full red would look like. Not really striking and very subtle, but those yellow/green highlights can be appealing on a good one.

1955-S Woody MS RB


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 Posted 12/19/2019  4:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinTheTerm to your friends list
Great thread awesome question with great examples
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 Posted 12/19/2019  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kawliga to your friends list
Most rewarding question I've ever asked here. I am LOVING the information and images (especially them--who doesn't love eye candy?)
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 Posted 12/19/2019  8:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
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When you look at the background on this image, it looks like it is much deeper than the coin images. 3-D
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 Posted 12/19/2019  11:21 pm  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list
I just pulled this out of a roll. It shows a small bit of normal color red striping showing through LIBERTY and across the shoulder and a bit by the date. But most of the coin is the improper alloy brassy stuff that clearly shows yellow-green. The coin leaps out at you when you see it among regular red MS grade coins.

1955-S MS RED woody


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 Posted 12/20/2019  01:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MontCollector to your friends list
Very Nice woodies all.


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When you look at the background on this image, it looks like it is much deeper than the coin images. 3-D


Wow coop.! It is deeper than it looks on my photo. While my photo shows the woody affect okay, in hand the coin itself is redder and more lustrous than my photo shows. It looks to have been discovered this way back in 1939 in MS condition and has been in collections ever since.
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 Posted 12/22/2019  2:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kawliga to your friends list
Okay I am totally confused about the 1939 Canadian. Mont, did you buy it from Coop, and that's why you both have photos of it? And I don't understand the discussion about depth versus background, like is it something to do with green bringing out depth more than white? And do we know if both photos were taken on their actual backgrounds or photoshopped? The 'green' image kind of looks like the saturation was just about maxed out after shooting. Sorry, I'm just totally lost on this one.
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 Posted 12/22/2019  3:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MontCollector to your friends list

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Okay I am totally confused about the 1939 Canadian. Mont, did you buy it from Coop, and that's why you both have photos of it?


No I did not buy this con from coop. Coop took my photo and made it 3D I believe. On My photo all I did was shoot it, did a white balance check, then cropped and combined it. When I crop a photo it lets me choose the background color. White worked well with this coin.

Like I stated after coop posted that photo, his shows that the coin is actually red where the stripes aren't. In hand this coin has the stripes and blackened areas like shown but below all that you can still see the red of an UNC cent. My photo does not show that.

Hope that clears thing up fer ya.
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 Posted 12/23/2019  11:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kawliga to your friends list
yes, perfectly, thank you.
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