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Pawn Stars: Very Rare 1922 Coin Is Holy Grail Of Currency (Season 10) Peace Dollar

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 Posted 03/06/2020  6:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list
80k? Wayyy to high. Negative returns inbound.
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 Posted 03/06/2020  6:53 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list
STAGED SHOW!
Anyone who has ever been to the shop in Las Vegas , realizes
They make money by being famous not from the shop .
With all do respect , the place is in a seedy part of Vegas and is a dump !
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 Posted 03/06/2020  7:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eyes4Error to your friends list
Staged show... YES!

Pawn Stars gets to promote their show & show off (advertise) their inventory to potential buyers... NGC gets a promoted ad spot ;)...etc.

Yes, we get how TV shows and ads work... but the prices on that type and grade don't lie.

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Still... Beautiful coin! Would be amazing to see one in person up close.
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 Posted 03/06/2020  7:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list
Nice coin, but still a total staged show and set-up from the get-go.

I actually bought a couple of National Bank notes from them about 10 years ago. One from Rockwall, Texas and one from Dublin, Texas. Paid too much but just the way it goes sometimes.

As far as Pawn Stars being in a "seedy" area of Las Vegas? The WHOLE strip and downtown IS "seedy"!
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 Posted 03/06/2020  8:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Can't argue with that. What a magnificent paradise for addicted losers, a dark little corner of hel*.
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 Posted 03/06/2020  9:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list
A PR61 in a PCGS holder sold at a Heritage auction for $99,875 January 7, 2015 so Rick will probably squeak out with a little profit. A 2017 Matte finish HR sale was $160,00 for a PR64 and a more recent January 2019 sale was on the antique finish instead of the Matte finished proof, it went for $192,000.

Wonder where Rick will sell it, privately or at auction, knowing he is a dealer he won't be keeping it long, he needs to make his profit and get out. I'm sure he will clear $10K maybe even double that or more.

On a side note, I have held one and got a chance to examine it up close in hand. They almost don't look real, it's like a fake Peace dollar, but everything matches up except the finish has a strange granular look to it, while the other areas are almost chromed looking. Strange coin, beautiful, yet strange IMO. I'd really like to see the Antique finished one.

I also found it interesting they chose David Vagi as the expert to come on. He must have already been in town, and they are using this as a promo to help sell the coin. David does work for NGC and is really knowledgeable, but he is primarily an ancient coin expert, not a US expert.
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And westcoin raises a good point. David is knowledgeable, but when it comes to ultra rarities, I'd pass on having him have the call on it. Nothing against him personally, I'd just rather have the person most qualified.
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 Posted 03/07/2020  02:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eyes4Error to your friends list
Ahhh... Duh! I should have know better to post in this forum.

westcoin I agree... It is an unreal looking coin!
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 Posted 03/07/2020  5:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list
David is a really great numismatist so please I don't want anyone thinking I'm saying he is not. The coin was already in a NGC holder that is genuine and shows no signs of tampering, it's easily verifiable online as well. So the fact that NGC has already called it real is a moot point. I would think Rick knows enough to also check it online first.

This was 100% done as PR for the scripted TV show and the 99.95% of the public that watches it thinking it's all real, and happens exactly like they show it. David was probably already in town for either a coin show, or event NGC was at, or more likely scenario, the coin came in earlier and all this was put together at a later time to "look like a rare occurrence" that the coin just walked in.

Wouldn't the poker player know more to first contact a coin dealer than go to a pawn shop? How many people do you think come across a coin (or anything really) that they know is valuable, and just head to the nearest pawn shop to sell it for a random amount they came up with out of thin air?

I mean I've known some dumb people in my days but that would have to top the cake as one of the dumbest ways to act when one finds themselves in possession of a valuable object. No way the poker player (if that is the real story of how the coin came to be his even), didn't already look it up on Google or have some idea of it's value.


Remember this is Hollywood - it's all about the illusion of a show and making things appear to be interesting to those watching. I know I worked in the music business for many years as a photographer for a fairly famous artist, Hollywood is NOT real behind the scenes in any stretch of the imagination.
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Yep... born and raised in N.Cali and lived in Tarzana, Calabasas, and South Bay - Redondo/Hermosa/Manhattan Beach... I know all about Hollyweird. LOL. Spent time around all that... fashion, celebrity and music industry. I also work in advertising/media... I totally agree the story could well be set up for ratings ;)

I just find the story hilarious as a coin collector... I agree "why wouldn't he look a price before pawn or poker deal, and so on... you would totally want to have some idea of value before dealing... unless you were a desperate gambler or drugie ... which Las Vegas has! Been there many times too...

Although I am a native Californian, I moved away 10 years ago... and never looked back
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 Posted 03/07/2020  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silverado to your friends list
I saw this! Hope Rick didn't get stuck with a really good Chinese counterfeit! I can't believe they're doing slabs over there now ... Lol
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Why would NGC say DELETED when I scan'd the barcode? They show 3863310-006, the number of the coin in the show as deleted? Is that normal or is something up with it?
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NDBirdman asks:

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Why would NGC say DELETED when I scan'd the barcode? They show 3863310-006, the number of the coin in the show as deleted? Is that normal or is something up with it?


Per NGC own guidelines on grading:


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What does it mean if it says, "Deleted"?

Deleted: If you see this alert, it generally means that the coin was removed from the NGC Census population report. Coins are occasionally deleted in error, however, so if you see this note but own the coin, please email pictures of the front and back of the holder to service@NGCcoin.com.


Interesting, it's either been determined it's an incorrect grade, meaning, the grade has changed on a resubmission, it's been shown to no longer reside in a NGC holder, it has crossed over to another grading service, or it has been determined to be not genuine or gradable per NGC, meaning NGC would have had to purchase the coin back from the current owner.

Those are my thoughts on why it's not showing up in NGC's certification verification portal.

My guess on why? I think it's been re-holdered on an upgrade attempt, we know NGC is not consistent with keeping NGC holdered coins IDs the same when reholdering them. I proved that in the wild wrong denomination strike Seated quarter with photos of both old and new slabs showing same everything but different coin ID number and adding a family collection name. See this thread on that for the photos: http://goccf.com/t/352929&whichpage=2#3049247 Wanted to add that during my research on the seated quarter/half it too disappeared from the NGC population and look portal until I found it in the Pedigreed holder, so there is a chance it's already been done and just has a new ID# (maybe new grade) and a custom label as well, I just haven't found it if so.

Knowing Rick he will be selling this ASAP so keep your eye open at various Auctions and in the news, unless he sells to a private owner, then we will know soon enough.

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Knowing Rick he will be selling this ASAP so keep your eye open at various Auctions and in the news, unless he sells to a private owner, then we will know soon enough.

You do realize that episode first aired back in 2014.
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Conder101: You do realize that episode first aired back in 2014.


Thanks Gary, I was not aware of that. Being that I tossed out my cable TV and television in 2007 and haven't watched TV the way most people do. I DL'd a few shows and watch some streaming plus special events and that's about it. Pawn Shop isn't on my radar usually, and I haven't watched it for at least 4 years.

Since that is the case, then the coin probably went to a private seller and was reholdered, whether or not at the same grade we won't know unless it surfaces in a public sales forum (auction, news story, etc.) or goes into an open registry set.

Maybe it was a crossover to PCGS and became PR61 that sold via Heritage in 2015? The date and price would be the right time frame then. I don't really see anyway to tell if this coin is in another holder, since it's quite plain looking (plain for a matte proof high relief), no marks visible or toning spots, etc. at least not that would be easily seen from this video only.

Most of the bigger coin dealers I know would want to move a high dollar (six figure or nearly) as quick as possible unless it's only on consignment, then they might have some more leeway, but even a pawnshop like Ricks wouldn't want to tie up close to six figures for too long.

Thanks for the update to the story for me Gary! Cheers.
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