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Shipping To Poland: Ebay Miscalculates Cost And Export Restrictions

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 Posted 05/29/2020  12:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list
It's tricky.

1) Sell item on ebay
2) Go into PayPal and ship from there
3) Instead of first class international package, select international letter, and package type as small envelope
4) Input weight, customs etc. Usually costs less than domestic shipping, about $2-3.
5) Say your prayers because most international customs offices don't scan them, and without the cooperation of foreign customs agencies, your buyer gets an automatic refund if it doesn't arrive in a "reasonable" time.

Personally, I wouldn't do it. I just had to give a $70 refund for a buyer in Poland whose package vanished into thin air back in early April.
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 Posted 05/29/2020  10:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jskirwin to your friends list

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Personally, I wouldn't do it. I just had to give a $70 refund for a buyer in Poland whose package vanished into thin air back in early April.


I decided not to pursue the matter and withdrew the coin. In fact I cancelled all my listings because selling on ebay is aggravating enough during normal times, and times aren't normal.
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 Posted 05/30/2020  09:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add travelcoin to your friends list
What about ebay's Global International Shipping. Has anyone tried that? I was thinking about selling some of my coins, but very leery of seller International.
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 Posted 05/30/2020  11:08 am  Show Profile   Check Victor's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Victor to your friends list

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What about ebay's Global International Shipping


I used it for over a year.

Pro- ebay guarantees shipment, so buyers can't leave negative feedback regarding shipping i.e. slow or lost package

Con- expensive shipping, close to $25. I got several complaints.

I stopped using it and went back to USPS International shipping for $10.
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 Posted 05/31/2020  09:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add travelcoin to your friends list
Victor that's too expensive, scratch the Global Shipping Program.
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 Posted 05/31/2020  11:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list

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The least expensive international option offered by the USPS is 1st class package which runs about $14 to most countries. "Slipping through" at the letter rate is a felony.


I know your answers are always well-researched, and this one caught me by surprise, so I went looking through the USPS publications to try and find the prohibition or restriction on sending coins internationally as a first class letter.

The page in International Mailing Restrictions starts like this:

USPS International Shipping Regulations
Anything that may not be shipped in the United States you may not ship internationally. Also, you may not mail certain items, like cigarettes, internationally even though you may mail them within the United States. USPS Publication 52, Hazardous, Restricted, & Perishable Mail and the International Mail Manual provide full explanations on USPS regulations of prohibited and restricted items.

Farther down the same page is this:

Internationally Prohibited Items
These items may not be sent from the United States to any country:
Aerosols
Air Bags
Alcoholic Beverages
Ammunition
Cigarettes
Dry Ice
Explosives
Fresh Fruits and Vegetables
Gasoline
Marijuana (medical or otherwise)
Nail Polish
Perfumes (containing alcohol)
Poisons

If I go to Publication 52, Section 4 (Restricted Materials), coins are not mentioned.

To me, this means that it's OK to send coins domestically as a first class letter (as long as it does not exceed either the 1/4" thickness limit, or the 1 pound weight limit). And that should mean it is OK to send them internationally, unless prohibited by the receiving country.

I agree that the thick, 3 ounce coin mentioned by the OP can probably not be mailed as a first class letter, because the thickness limit would be exceeded (maybe this is what you were saying, and I was too dense to understand ... happens a lot with me). SOmetimes when I package a larger coin for shipment, I take it to the postal clerk, and they have a 1/4" "template" ... a piece of plastic or cardboard with a 1/4" slot... that they use to check it.

But I would assume that it is OK to mail a small coin as a first class international letter (as mentioned by some other posters) unless prohibited by the receiving country.

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 Posted 06/01/2020  12:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list

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And that should mean it is OK to send them internationally, unless prohibited by the receiving country.

Unfortunately, as of January 2018, USPS first class international letters and flats may contain only documents. All merchandise (anything with a value greater than $0) must go by first class package, priority mail or express mail with customs form attached. The change was to comply with Universal Postal Union regulations.

See the USPS notice here: https://about.usps.com/postal-bulle...updt_006.htm "In this price change, conforming to the requirements of the Universal Postal Convention, we are limiting the contents of First-Class Mail International postcard, letter, and large envelope (flats) mail to personal correspondence and nondutiable documents. Merchandise that was formerly carried in First-Class Mail International service will instead be eligible to be enclosed in First-Class Package International Service® (FCPIS®) pieces or another available service."

While 1st class package international is relatively expensive (~$14), it includes E-DELCON tracking and delivery confirmation (per PayPal requirements for seller protection) to some 42 countries if you print the postage yourself. E-DELCON is not available in person at the Post Office. You can also sign your customer up to receive an email or text every time the parcel is scanned en route. On self-printed labels, the customs form is integrated into the label, making the declaration much less conspicuous than the separate hand-printed forms at the post office.

The best part of printing your own postage is that you never need to visit the post office. The price also includes free scheduled pickup!

Domestically, coins can still be sent by 1st class letter at the non-machineable rate (75¢). Personally, I prefer 1st class package for domestic mail as well (~$2.75) because it satisfies PayPal seller protection.

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 Posted 06/01/2020  07:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list
Great clarification. Thanks

It seems their standard publications (which is what pops up when you use their FAQs or query feature to get answers on International mail) have not yet caught up with the change announced in this bulletin... even though it came out over 2 years ago!

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 Posted 06/08/2020  05:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slerk to your friends list
Is there really a large% of items that do not reach the recipient and sellers have to refund? After all, registered items must be delivered on time.
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 Posted 06/08/2020  08:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list
@slerk, there is a thread here on some registered items that have been lost/stolen recently: http://goccf.com/t/375355

ALso there is a thread here on transcontinental shipments that are taking much longer than usual: http://goccf.com/t/370807

I think the answer to your question is no, there is not a high % of registered items that never reach the buyer, but there are MANY registered packages are arriving much later than normal, and much later that the ebay estimated delivery dates, which may cause some sellers (like @norantyki) to trigger a refund to maintain a good feedback rating on ebay.

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 Posted 06/08/2020  2:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list
The problem with registered mail is that it is handled differently in every country and has poor tracking. In some countries, registered mail is treated no differently than ordinary 1st class. Insured priority mail is a much better option which offers insurance and excellent tracking for about the same price.

Some countries are postal "black holes". India is a good example. My loss rate to India over 20 years in business is 100%. I no longer ship there by any method.
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 Posted 06/15/2020  08:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add norantyki to your friends list
Agreed with both of the above comments. Recently, buyers have been vigorously abusing ebay / paypal refunds, and just generally taking advantage of the situation.

I have, though had the same shipping experience to India (as well as Pakistan) over the past 15 years - both are complete no-goes as their postal systems (or perhaps buyers) are kleptocracies which operate with complete impunity, regardless of the level of tracking.
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 Posted 06/15/2020  10:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Novicius to your friends list
The postal charges for single coins on ebay have always surprised me.

One seller in the US charges US $4.50 for USPS First Class Mail International, while another seller charges US $24.50 for USPS First Class Mail International. Both are apparently the same delivery method, but at widely differing cost. One coin I bought from a US seller was free delivery. I thought it would take a lot longer to arrive, but it came in much the same time, if not a bit sooner.

In Europe I've been charged between £5.00 and £15.00 per coin, and from Cyprus from £5.50 to just under £15.00. The latter seller said it was due to the Covid-19 virus! In the UK the postal charge varies from £1.20 to around £5.00.

So far I've not had anything go missing. (Touch wood.)

It does stick in my craw, having to pay $24.50 postage for a coin that cost less than half of that though.
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 Posted 06/15/2020  1:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list
Possibly the $4.50 is just a first class letter with no tracking, which has an actual cost to the sender of less than $2 including the ebay fees, whereas the $24.50 is for registered (actual cost to sender around $15), or the ebay global shipping program?
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 Posted 06/15/2020  2:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list
Τhe least expensive (legal) international postage rate for merchandise from the US is first class package international at $14+, even for a $1 coin. In many countries, the recipient will also have to pay a customs fee at his end. Some sellers will illegally conceal the coin in a letter for a couple of dollars postage, evading customs. When I'm asked why I won't do the same, I reply "It is our company policy to obey the law". Most understand that.
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