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1965 One Cent Variety - Another Question

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 Posted 06/02/2020  02:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mice45 to your friends list
I believe it is a mistake in Charlton Vol 2.
In Vol.1 in One Cent section Charlton says that V1(SBP5), V2(SBB5), and V3(LBB5) all are available in PL.
V2 (SBB5) is the cheap one. Most of 1965 PL sets that I have seen contain this type of 1 cent.
Charlton also prices PL V1 double of PL V3, though in my experience V3 is scarcer. But that could be just my luck :-)
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 Posted 06/02/2020  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list
I have examined thousands of sets, and I have never seen a Type 1 PL strike.

The 1965 1-cent specimen strike is Type 2.

The Type 3 PL 1-cent is pretty scarce, and is undervalued in my opinion. If that ever gets in the PCGS and NGC Proof-like 1-cent Registry, that might drive demand.
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 Posted 06/03/2020  03:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mice45 to your friends list
I ought to clarify/correct my previous post.
I do not own 1965 PL set with type 1 cent, neither have I seen one in my hand.
What I saw was a few Type 1 cents with polished fields, well defined rims, and cameo. They looked very much PL-like.
Based on what spp-ottawa said, now I think they were just very good business strikes from a new die.
PL set with type 3 cent is currently available from Colonial Acres. They have 4 in stock.
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 Posted 06/16/2020  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mice45 to your friends list
I got the 1965 set with T3 1 cent. But the 1 cent coin does not look PL. I bet that if it is removed from pliofilm and sent to a TPG it would come back as MS63/64 (yes, the coin quality is low).
Thus, it is just a packaging issue when they ran out of PL coins and used a business strike instead. It is not even an error, technically, because RCM has never claimed the sets to be anything but uncirculated.
Now I am back to the question: does 1965 1c T3 PL exist or not?
Or is it PL by the virtue of pliofilm packaging?
Just curious, if a TPG received it for grading in the intact set, would they grade it PL or MS?
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 Posted 06/16/2020  11:27 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list
Post a good photo of it here.

(and yes, 1965 1c T3 PL do exist)
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 Posted 06/16/2020  11:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mice45 to your friends list
It is hard to get a decent image through pliofilm.
I need better equipment :-)

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 Posted 06/16/2020  11:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mice45 to your friends list
And a slightly tilted photo with less glare to show the rim

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 Posted 06/16/2020  11:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add collector67 to your friends list
I have a SB Pt5 that I pulled from a PLset
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 Posted 06/17/2020  12:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mice45 to your friends list
Does it look like a PL or a business strike?
It seems that those coins are better be kept in the set.
Please see above the post by spp-ottawa at 06/02/2020 9:17 pm
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 Posted 06/17/2020  12:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add collector67 to your friends list
I removed it from the set years ago, and realized after I should have left it in place.
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 Posted 06/18/2020  11:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numisnut1960 to your friends list
Has anyone ever considered asking Charlton about this possible error? It seems I have run across other questionable information in volume two that does not correspond with information in volume one.
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 Posted 06/18/2020  2:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add papeldog to your friends list
This is a book I purchased back a few years ago 2005 I'm not sure if they are still available, its a very good book on uncirculated sets. They used to have a web site that I belonged to at the time but with very little traffic on it they decided shut down to bad it was an excellent site with many knowledgably people on board sad but gone. I have never seen a type 1 cent in a PL set but according to the writings in the book they are out there, I have the regular sets but also had two type 3 sets.


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 Posted 06/18/2020  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add collector67 to your friends list
I have that referance and sold a set with the type3 in a lot of 1965 sets, I can't remeber which year it was Michael Walsh was the auctioneer I had the catalogue but can't find it. They sold for a good price.
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 Posted 06/19/2020  02:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mice45 to your friends list
To confirm what is in the text at the bottom of the book's page: my set is Type 2 dollar and Type 3 cent.
That would be set variety 05.
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