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This is a great thread. Thx Bob!
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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United States
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Excellent thread Bob, interesting to see the tools of the trade being depicted on the coin itself.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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I have never seen coins with other coins on them, or coins with the minting tools before. I wasn't even aware they existed, so many thanks for sharing this Bob.  Jim |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Superb examples, and I agree - very cool and curious that the Samaria obols explicitly depict a small pile of owls! We can't forget one of the most common motifs on Roman coins - Liberalitas holding a counting board filled with coins  Likewise, some of the early sestertii show the scene where the coins are dumped into the toga of the Roman citizen receiving his COVID stimulus package donative  |
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks for the comments, guys. Good update, Steve (Liberalitas with counting board - certainly that motif is a common one).
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Pillar of the Community
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I have no coins to add to the thread, but this is really cool Bob.
Keen observation and very imaginative idea for a topic.
The other coins posted are also very cool.
Thanks. Well done.
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks, Scott. In my initial post above I stated "On others, there seem to be different types of ancient coins depicted" among the five - meaning they don't always appear to be Athenian owls. Since the Samarian coins date to the 4th century BC, the subject coins would have to be at least that old. The one below (shown in the enlarged detail) seems to depict a left-facing bird, perhaps a swan. There are a number of issues, across several cultures, that would fit the, uh, bill. A strong contender might be an issue from Mallos (Mallus), Cilicia, which minted obols and staters with swans in the 5th and 4th century BC. Granted, these are smaller coins than the Athenian tets, but I seriously doubt that relative proportions of the five subject coins mattered. And, being from Asia Minor, it's a given that the abundant swan issues of Mallos would have been familiar to the (relatively nearby) Samarians. Anyway, it's fun to speculate on such meager visual evidence. Mallos swans below the Samarian detail:  |
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Bob, I've been thinking more about this thread. Any thoughts on why these other coins might have appeared on The Samarian fractional coins? Perhaps to show a visual equivalence in value? Emphasize political or economic ties? I don't know enough of the history to do more than speculate, but you being wicked smart and may have some more informed reasoning...
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Any thoughts on why these other coins might have appeared on The Samarian fractional coins? Dave, See the article "Coinage for Redeeming the Firstborn: An Ancient and Modern Jewish Ritual" in the December 2002 issue of The Celator: http://community.vcoins.com/celator-vol-16-no-12/Here are some excerpts, below. Note, especially, the sentence that the red arrow points to in the first excerpt and, then, read the lower passage.    Edited by Kamnaskires
06/25/2020 4:21 pm
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That is really interesting about these Samarian coins. David Hendin list only one of this type H-1042 but doesn't go into any detail about their Biblical meaning. They do seem to be quite rare so finding one would be difficult. I would like to add one of these to my small collection of Biblical coins.
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Pillar of the Community
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Perfect thx Bob. This thread has been quite educational for me.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Pillar of the Community
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Interesting indeed. I only know examples of early medieval coins where they make coins
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Great post Bob, I didn't know about those Samarian coin at all. The "triple" version of the Janiform head on some of them is neat, but the tertradrachm reverse is AWESOME!
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Pillar of the Community
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Hey, Tim and Chris. Good to see you guys posting. Thanks for the comments.
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