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Now this is an interesting one. Got to admit I've never seen one with that many polishing lines in the engraved wing area. How about some close ups of the eye and some of the legend letters. Also Liberty.
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Is this possible that it could be an eds of this VAM? No broken R? |
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Early die states change with each VAM number assigned. Full R would have an EDS and a LDS. Partial broken R would have an EDS and LDS with a different VAM #. Repeats again for fully broken R, although the same die could have been used on all the coins. |
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G'Day all sorry I haven't posted as I've just arrived home from work O.K. the photo's I'll post will be the "r" in trust,the eye and also the "B" in LIBERTY as well as the tail-feathers just for interest,I am sure this is a VAM 79 but I've been wrong before      full LIBERTY and legend letters will follow regards Harry Edited by nuggethill
11/17/2008 3:58 pm
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O.K.LIBERTY first then the legend with the most interesting letters E P and I followed by the MM and close up         If you need more just call regards Harry |
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Harry, your right on with the reverse. I believe this to be a VAM 45 which reverse die was later used with the VAM 79. |
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 confermed by george you know your VAM's MorgansRmine regards Harry |
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MorgansRmine, in your words " Early die states change with each VAM number assigned. Full R would have an EDS and a LDS. Partial broken R would have an EDS and LDS with a different VAM #. Repeats again for fully broken R, although the same die could have been used on all the coins." You were right on from the begining, about the die could of been used on all the coins. You are a great help to others and myself, please bear with me as I am a pretty new VAMMER, thanks, MIKE... |
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No problem Mike, I've been there and done that. I'm just starting to feel comfortable with the lowly cent thanks to all the great advice on this forum. Hang in there.
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Thanks Mike for your feedback die state is rather confusing as is this coin with the reverse die a very tricky one as the VAM 45 has a B2ad die match that has the "r" in trust slightly broken and as you can see the "r" on this coin is a solid "r" that's why I said its a B2aj so am I wrong to think that its a B2aj and not a B2ad as the reverse die  regards Harry |
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Oh and P.S. don't forget that the VAM 14 also has a broken "B" and not a broken "R" in trust also while I was looking at the VAM 45 I found another broken "B" VAM for another coin its a VAM 44 Edited by nuggethill
11/18/2008 6:53 pm
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Harry, took me a while to figure the confusion here on the reverse. Sometimes my mind goes faster than my fingers. I should have typed "later used with VAM 9 in 79. My bad. Your coin has nothing to do with the VAM 79. Your coins does appear to have a slight chip and pitting on the top of r serif. This die was probably taken out of service when the serif partially broke and pressed back into service in 1879. |
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Thank you for the information I didn't realize that they recycled the die's as I thought the cut new die's and dumped the old one's and on the change of the year they let the reverse die carry over to the next year but to hold them in stock for a part of that year and recycle them in the next year didn't even enter my mind thanks MorgansRmine for cluing me regards Harry Edited by nuggethill
11/19/2008 3:24 pm
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Harry, a new reverse die was intended to be used in 1879. Dies were not as easy to produce in the late 1800s so some of the reverse dies for 1879 were used in 1878 and some for 1878 were used in 1879. The same reverse die design of 1879 has been used since ever since. The only other exception happened at the Carson City mint when they used a reverse die from 1878 in 1880.
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