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 Posted 11/27/2020  11:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paisa to your friends list
Many of these envelopes have date indicators on them. For instance the three shared by Bill

TD - see the number on the back flap 51529 (1104) it is most likely November 2004 based on the convention used in the current TD envelopes.

RBC - New - see number on the back flap 06632(07/2019) - July 2019

RBC - Vancouver Olympics - number on the back flap - Form 06632 (10-2008) - November 2008.

The CIBC that I shared - number on the back flap - E2211BIL - 2017/03 - March 2013.

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 Posted 11/28/2020  09:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add walk2dwater to your friends list

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If anyone has interesting anecdotes to share about using these envelopes please do so.


I remember my grandfather used to keep these stuffed with banknotes. They were more yellow & had "Earnings; Deductions, etc" & chart-like text on them as "HoundogBill" posted. He would pull one out and extract a few 1954 Twos or Fives(& whatever he needed) to pay my older brother for cutting his large lawn (he lived on a farm). That was when I was about 12 (& they were introducing Multicoloured series), and I must say that I envied my 16 y.o. brother who cut his lawn & this was before I started to collect currency. I remember really liking the newer $20 $10 $5 & the $2 and $1 were just being introduced. [He also gave my brother an empty Players tobacco can filled with pennies, nickles, dimes & quarters (to pay him) & that's how my brother started to collect coins. I was a rather competitive sort so when I saw my brother collect coins, I had to start too].

Anyway, I gave up with the coins & started to collect banknotes during my first job at a carwash. I wanted to use the same envelopes pictured but found that these small brown side-opening packets were usually too small (& could damage the ends of the notes) so I always requested white envelopes. When I look back I think its funny that I tried to use those but I guess it was a bank envelope & made sense at the time. Over time, I rarely used them & threw most of them away (after seeing how much I damaged the ends of good UNC banknotes rendering them AU).

About 10 years ago I met a senior who wanted to sell me some of her husband's banknote collection. I suggested she go sell them to a dealer but she was adamant I buy them from her. I was secretly thrilled b/c she told me that she met her husband at the bank & that he was the branch manager. My enthusiasm was quickly extinguished the moment I saw her pull out one of those darn small yellow envelopes since I knew that they usually caused more harm than good (they were too small to preserve banknotes). While looking over the contents I was surprised that he had kept a consecutive run of 1937 Ones (Coyne-Towers). I sold "DBM" one through CCF. I paid her too much for the notes because I didn't see the tiny spot of glue that migrated to the back ends of several of the banknotes (so the majority were AU). If I find that offending packet I will scan it & send it to you (but its more likely I threw it out).

So, if you use these small side-opening envelopes to store banknotes then be careful you're not damaging the notes. Generally, they're too small (probably formatted for US currency). I much prefer the blue CIBC "penguin" top-loading envelopes & got my wife to get me a few of those or just large white envelopes from TD.

BTW: I have one of the brown ones left from TD with the code 515291 (0216) on that back of the flap. LMK, if you'd like me to scan it.
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 Posted 11/28/2020  2:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paisa to your friends list
@walk2dwater - Great story. Thank you.

It is interesting you have picked up on the top short side loading (TD/RBC) vs long side (CIBC/ BMO) flapped envelopes.

Sometimes around RBC had a revamp of their envelopes and increased the size noticeably. TD changed their envelope design - they are all white now and no longer brown/yellow. TD also nominally increased their size in moving to the white envelopes. The older sizes for both TD and RBC did not accommodate US Dollars but new sizes can.

TD also has a larger money envelope at their foreign exchange counters for foreign currencies.


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BTW: I have one of the brown ones left from TD with the code 515291 (0216) on that back of the flap. LMK, if you'd like me to scan it.


Thank you for checking and offer to scan. If that is the one whose front says "Taking a trip" then no need to scan it. If the front is something different then scanning and sharing would be appreciated.





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 Posted 11/28/2020  3:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add walk2dwater to your friends list

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If that is the one whose front says "Taking a trip" then no need to scan it.

- yup, that's the one.

I also have the far superior (larger/less problematic) foreign currency envelope. If I find that old one (that damaged the 37's) I'll scan it for you. Good luck!
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 Posted 11/29/2020  10:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list
Won this item on ebay last night.
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Although not a bank envelope I think it's appropriate to post here.

This was one of those items I just had to acquire. Fortunately I was the only bidder and got it for a fraction of my limit.

In the summer of '67 I lived in Edmonton two blocks from the location on the envelope.
I bought gas every Friday at that corner but I don't remember Excel and certainly not this promotion.
I'll have to do some research on this.
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 Posted 12/02/2020  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list
Here's an envelope from 1967 for sale on ebay.
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Unfortunately it's full of overpriced items.
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 Posted 12/04/2020  10:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paisa to your friends list
Thx for finding and sharing the Bank of Nova Scotia from 1967. Would have loved to see the reverse side.

Love the use of term:

Government Hospital Insurance

and also

The ad for savings certificate which looks more like some sort discounted bond.

Good history in that piece of the envelope.
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 Posted 12/04/2020  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paisa to your friends list
Thx for sharing the Excel Autoservice Centennial Envelope. It is the first I have seen with a window. I wonder if the window had any particular function.

It is interesting how this was given out as a collectible at a 5% discount.


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 Posted 12/04/2020  10:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list
Yeah too bad we see only one side of the BNS envelope.
I found an envelope from 1967 while looking for my old pay envelopes.
Very similar to the ebay item.
I'll post when I find all the items associated with it, sometime in the next week I hope.
Also received a current TD envelope this week, hope to post it later tonight or tomorrow.
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 Posted 12/04/2020  11:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list
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"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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 Posted 12/05/2020  3:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paisa to your friends list
Thx DBM for posting the TD envelope which is the one that is given out. Interestingly enough with this envelope TD implemented two changes:

Went from brown to white
Increased the size marginally I believe to accommodate US bills.

What do you think was the reason for the change in colour?

Does anyone hear know someone who works for TD who might be able to find out how they decide on the envelopes?
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 Posted 12/13/2020  5:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinsplus to your friends list
Here is one from 1990 by Toronto Dominion Bank

They were using this up to around 1996.
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 Posted 12/14/2020  9:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paisa to your friends list
@Coinsplus -

Very nice - thx for sharing and the info. Is there a date printed on the other side of the flap i.e. can you see any printing when the flap is open?

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 Posted 12/14/2020  9:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paisa to your friends list
I would like to contact someone appropriate in each of the major banks. Does anyone have an idea where I can start?

I tried asking my local branches. Even going through the manager level it was not very fruitful. They simply do not know who I can contact.

Perhaps someone in this group knows someone working in the non-banking areas of these banks might be able to make some suggestions
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 Posted 03/12/2021  6:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nells250 to your friends list
I wish I had kept some from my bank... after over 100 years they were purchased by a mega-bank and now I'd like one of the old envelopes for my ephemera collection... dangit...
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