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You should turn off your camera flash or reduce your lighting some. Never use flash with coins! The obverse portrait is over-exposed which makes grading difficult. I suspect this coin is a darker brown than the pictures indicate.
1909's are normally well-struck and from sharp dies.
There appears to be separation between the cheek and jaw. Wear is apparent on the coat. The obverse is F-12....as far as I can tell from the picture.
The reverse wear is inconsistent with the obverse. About 80-90% of the wheat lines are showing and most of them are full. The wheat grains are fairly full and distinct. It's nearly at an EF level, but closer to VF30-35 because the wheat lines are not complete.
The rims are good and there's no problems. This coin is another example of a required net grade (based on the pics).
VF-25
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The light is a little harsh on the obverse. Took those with one lamp (no flash); I'll post a better pic tonight. I don't think the coin is much darker than that.
Also will start a new thread with a much nicer 1909 VDB tonight.
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12/05/2008 11:30 am
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Man, I want BadThad to grade all of my coins.
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The rims are good and there's no problems. This coin is another example of a required net grade (based on the pics). Which surface if this coin was net graded would be the one to determine the price of the coin ? This coin is a candidate for the old grading method (before Net Grading which hyper inflates the market value ) and that is grading to the lower grade or grading each side of the coin independently . this coin would be given a grade of F-15/VF-30 and the buyer could then decide if the coin was suitable for his collection based on the true grade of the coin . while I agree that the reverse is stronger my inclination would be to favor the obverse as a buyer and my offer would be heavily influenced based on that surface . when a coin is net graded and a price sheet is used as a reference for price you pay for a grade which does not appear on the coin at all ,it may be exceeded by one surface and not met by the other . this serves only to hyper inflate coin values and skews the market and costs of the coin . net grading is the devil ! LOL (a waterboy quote) and is meant as a jest !  |
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Metalman - If I was buying this from a dealer, I'd use the obverse to determine price....duh....LOLOLOL  Lincoln Cent Lover!VERDI-CARE™ INVENTOR https://verdi.care/
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If this coin was net graded in a PCGS slab the whole idea is to be able to buy the coin sight unseen based on the label.
what is the net result to the market (pun intended) skewed pop reports , inflated price , and a grade which does not appear on the coin and a person who thinks the coin they bought equals the grade on the slab .
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If this coin was net graded in a PCGS slab the whole idea is to be able to buy the coin sight unseen based on the label. Yea, right....LOLOLOLOL Quote:
what is the net result to the market (pun intended) skewed pop reports , inflated price , and a grade which does not appear on the coin and a person who thinks the coin they bought equals the grade on the slab .
Indeed, that's just a fact of coin collecting. There's such a large human element to the hobby, that is if you want to be any good at it. I've made quite a few dealers mad by debating their grades. The thing is, most of them may have 30, 40 or 50 years of experience...but usually at most EVERY coin. Their knowledge is usually very wide ranging and generalized. I may not have the number of years they have, but I'm totally specialized into Lincolns. It's the only series I spend all my hours on. I certainly don't know it all, but I know more than most dealers when it comes to grading and price. Lincoln Cent Lover!VERDI-CARE™ INVENTOR https://verdi.care/
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Ya'll are talking about "this coin" like he's not even in the room!  |
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Sorry Steve !
Im all better now !
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No problem, I find the discussion interesting. Just didn't want Abe to find out his back side looks better than his face.
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I've made quite a few dealers mad by debating their grades Ruh-roh. Despite some dealers being touchy on this subject, which after all is about money-- collectors should feel free to question any grade. At shows or shops, some of these guys have this "air of authority", which is all about controlling transactions to their favor--it's very "old school". You didn't ask my opinion, but there it is, lol. If I sold this 1909 to another collector, I'd charge an F12-15 price, technicalities aside. |
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Right on Kurt! That "air of authority" attitude gets under my skin. As always, all opinions are welcome and help the discussion.  |
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I counldn't go higher than F15 on that one. Yeah the erverse is VF but really the obverse carries the day.
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Yea, right....LOLOLOLOL exactly right !  http://www.collectorshandbook.com/?...auth_gradingselected quote ! NGC and PCGS remain the acknowledged leaders for coin grading. The secret of their success is that to date, they alone have maintained sufficient dealer confidence to be traded routinely on a sight-unseen basis. Darn those old guys ! how did you think they developed the rankings of the TPG's ? |
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