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The Legal Definition Of Proof?

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 Posted 12/07/2008  02:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coindexter to your friends list
I always thought they we called bullion rounds. Not coins. Eather way it looks cool Telfer. How hard is it to buy silver near spot in canada?
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 Posted 12/07/2008  02:33 am  Show Profile   Check GO's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GO to your friends list
I suppose that a simple determination between a round and a coin of bullion would be whether or not it has a value associated with it such as the ASE.
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 Posted 12/07/2008  02:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list
Exactly, a coin will have a denomination backed by a legitimate government. A round would only display weight and purity with no denomination.
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 Posted 12/07/2008  02:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add roots to your friends list
If the coin has a denomination it is generally called a coin.
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 Posted 12/07/2008  03:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Telfer to your friends list
Coindexter, How hard is it to buy silver near spot in Canada?

Almost impossible in any large quantity.

A Canadian citizen cant just walk into his own national mint and buy a hundred coins.

They will sell you five coins a day at $30.00 an ounce.

Thats $10.00 for the silver, $1.00 for the strike, and $19.00 for the velvet case.

Plus tax!
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 Posted 12/07/2008  03:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coindexter to your friends list
What is on the other side of that coin, Does it say $5 the date and a picture of the Queen on it?
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 Posted 12/07/2008  03:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wd1040 to your friends list

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Plus tax!


I heard the tax rate in Canada is crazy... something to the tune of 15%!
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 Posted 12/07/2008  05:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Telfer to your friends list
8% on pure silver...another 5% on alloys.

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 Posted 12/07/2008  05:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wd1040 to your friends list
oooooo..... no milk spots either!

So does anyone here know how I can get rid of those nasty milk spots? One of them just looks like someone sneezed on it...
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 Posted 12/07/2008  05:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add QuickSilver to your friends list

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A proof coin is usually defined as a coin with reflective fields and a satin (acid-etched) relief


As far as proof coins go the frosted finish is a relatively new device. British proof coins, for example, only began having a frosted finish in 1980, before that the design was as shiny as the field.
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 Posted 12/07/2008  1:06 pm  Show Profile   Check wheatiefan's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add wheatiefan to your friends list
I would call that type of coin "reverse proof". Here is a link to a Coin World article about the process.

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 Posted 12/07/2008  6:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Telfer to your friends list
Theres the post I was hoping for.

Nice work Wheatie...thank you!
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 Posted 12/07/2008  7:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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I heard the tax rate in Canada is crazy... something to the tune of 15%!

Almost normal. Here in Cook County Illinois the sales taxes are 10.25% And that is on everything. No exceptions.
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 Posted 12/07/2008  9:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IBGolden to your friends list

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I would call that type of coin "reverse proof". Here is a link to a Coin World article about the process.

WheatieFan


I read the article. It's confusing as the RCM usually is. The article is a few years old, and I doubt these coins were struck more than once. It(reverse proof die) is pobably just a nice way to present this design image on this bullion coin. The RCM does that a lot. So, maybe the new Charlton guide will re-define(as they've had to do to other terms in the past because of design changes) the "specimen/reverse proof" definition, which up to this point are used interchangably for Canadian coinage.

But, interesting read...thanks
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 Posted 12/08/2008  6:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Amazon99 to your friends list

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Almost normal. Here in Cook County Illinois the sales taxes are 10.25% And that is on everything. No exceptions.


I know new car purchases are exempt from it. Yup, but you gotta love Cook County and their fair politics. Carl, did you hear about Chicago leasing it's parking meters for 75 years? In five months it's going to cost $6.50 to park on the streets. This is insane! They spend money like crazy and when they run out they come out with some crazy plan to milk the little guy and then go spend that on some more crazier stuff.

Anyways, back on topic I think the definition that the original poster posted sounded to be more of the modern proof process. I agree with what others said that it's a coin that has been struck at least two times and special care was taken with it.
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