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Pillar of the Community
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Whats the weight? looks to me like it was whizzed with a dremmel or something. I had a few like that that were underweight due to loss of material.
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Well Longacre didn't design this coin, so that's out (but that was what I was originally thinking as well) so my next guess would be it being a RPD. MD would be visible on one side but not both and a multiple strike would show on other devices and not just the date....That's how I see it
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Bedrock of the Community
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Longacre did have to design the coin for it to have Longacre doubling, but the hubs would have to have been modified furing his tenure and the Seated coins were modified. However Longacre doubling doesn't appear on dated for the same reason hub doubling doesn't, the doubling was in the hubs/dies when they were made and the dates were punched in later. I suppose it is possible to have a date punch with such shouldering, but I am not aware of one. Since the dies would have most likely been duted using the same date punch there should be other examples on different dies, for this date. I would have to admit a shouldered punch is the only thing I can think of that would cause this. I tend to rule out repunching or Machine Doubling because the doubling is fairly symmetrical on both sides of the digits. Edited by Conder101
12/22/2020 12:18 am
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Thank you John and Conder for your replies. Longacre doubling is a new concept for me! Given this detail, would this be a new variety?
Where could I look more for evidence of this?
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This is very common and here is some information from Bill Bugert's book "A Register of Liberty Seated half dollars Volume IV". Quote: Device outlining. "Halos" can often be found around the stars, digits in the date, arrowheads, and often around the central devices. Sometimes unofficially called "Longacre doubling," a term coined by J.T. Stanton and inappropriately applied by others to Liberty Seated coinage designed by Christian Gobrecht, it is the doubling often seen on coins designed by James B. Longacre. This doubling is a secondary image of the design appearing on all sides of a design element. Although various theories abound as to what caused this doubling, this doubling is commonly found on half dollars of many dates and is not and should not be confused with doubled dies and repunched dates. I believe this doubling was caused when the temporary master die was heavily impressed with all the design elements such that a halo became part of the temporary master die. Consequently, these halos transferred to the working hub, subsequent working dies, and finally the half dollars themselves. Many early die state 1853-O, 1854-O, and 1855-O half dollars regardless of die marriage can be found with this halo characteristic and I do not discuss this doubling characteristic with each die marriage. You can find this book and his others on the LSCC Website, http://lsccweb.org/Edited by Heymikep
01/09/2021 12:42 pm
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Thank you so much HeyMike! Very interesting information! LSCC is a great resource that a friend recently introduced me to. I just emailed Bill to see if he can sell me a paper copy of his books. I am old fashioned that way!
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Regarding the condition of the coin, it just looks like a lot of wear with over cleaning. No patina. Someone may have taken a brush to it at some point.
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 I scoured the internet looking for another example late last year and ended up buying this online. Slight doubling/shouldering at the left arrow. When I inspected it in person there was nothing else going with it. Even though this feature is not a different variety I find it interesting. It seems uncommon since most coins do not show this. |
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Pillar of the Community
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DocSSavage, if you could show a full obverse and reverse then we can tell you the die marriage. The 1855-O has 19 different die marriages known to date, most are R3 but a few are R4.
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 I bought the Wiley and Bugert book and it looks like this could be a WB-102. I would appreciate others opinions. This die state is not the stongest for the horizontal O marks, but I do believe they are there. |
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Hey Mike, what books are available that show the different die marriages? Thank you.
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Pillar of the Community
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The first one is a WB-1 (In Bill's newer book) and WB-102 in the older book and has a rarity of R3. If you look closely you will see a doubling of the base of the one on the left side, the 1 was repunched south. I am assuming the previous comment and image of the mint mark is the same coin as the first image? The reverse mintmark is repunched over a horizontal mintmark. The second coin is hard to tell, can you provide clearer images?
You will find Bill's newest books on the LSCC site under "Education & Resources". You can download the ones listed or try and find hard bound books.
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01/20/2021 01:07 am
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Thanks HeyMike. The other one is a WB 101 (according to older book).
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