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Disgruntled CCF Posters -- The Norm Or An Uptick

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 Posted 02/19/2021  10:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list
Troll aroma (per Bump111). I suppose acetone would have limited effect.
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 Posted 02/19/2021  10:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list
All we can do is politely tell them what they have and hope they understand.
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 Posted 02/19/2021  11:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add atticguy to your friends list
I've kind of been waiting a long time for a topic like this to be posted, but I've been sitting here for close to a half hour and I'm still not sure what to say in reply.

I guess I'll start with although this site is based on coin collecting (and collectors), it seems that the majority of posts has shifted to 'get rich quick' topics. It appears that most here have abandoned coin collecting as I know it for finding a 'brand new' and 'rarity' coin variety/error. I personally view these type of coins as garbage/junk coins, but I do know that everyone has their own ideas of what is collectable and what is not.

Normally I browse through some of these posts and skip to another. Sometimes, especially when it comes to newbie posts, my brain just wants to explode. I just can't figure out how (and where) some people are getting the weird info that a certain coin is worth big money for every gouge and scratch they see. These too I read and decide NOT TO reply to, as I know that telling the truth can be hurtful.
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 Posted 02/19/2021  1:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rothery to your friends list

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I just can't figure out how (and where) some people are getting the weird info that a certain coin is worth big money for every gouge and scratch they see.

Like @bobby stated - Youtube videos and Facebook opinions. Amazing how people come here to ask questions then when they don't get the answer they want they get a bit hostile quoting that their FB friends told them otherwise, or "This guy" on Youtube posted a video............ and we all know, IF it's on Youtube then it has to be true!

EDIT: It's easiest to just pass those posts by and not get your blood boiling...
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02/19/2021 1:14 pm
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 Posted 02/19/2021  1:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nfine to your friends list

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I just can't figure out how (and where) some people are getting the weird info that a certain coin is worth big money for every gouge and scratch they see.


YouTube and Facebook seem to be the main sources.
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 Posted 02/19/2021  1:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list
I agree, it's usually best to move on if a thread is undergoing a terminal melt-down.
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 Posted 02/19/2021  1:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmkendall to your friends list
I spent many years as an Interviewer/Interrogator and understanding human nature was a requirement of my job. So a few observations directed at no person in particular.

The first is that all the post above mine have some truth in them. Some more than others. I think Carl put it best.

Second; The human animal has a need to be right and to be validated in their opinion. What do I mean by this?

Well, look at the grading topics. Lets us say that a particular coin is being graded in the XF range and one of the people who are looked at as authorities gives their opinion on the grade and it might be higher or lower than the consensus before that. Almost always; all the posters after this person will post grades in line with the "authority". Don't get me wrong, that person might well be an authority. Likewise it may be a person who post alot and had a high percentage of "correct" answers.

In the above example; people are loath to "get it wrong" and will give the "consensus" answer rather than their own initial thoughts. It is human nature. Humans are, by and large, herd animals. It is very very true that individuals exist.That is how we get our Daniel Boones, Simon Kentons, John Smiths, et al. These, though, are the outliers, not the norm.

It is also a true that "everyone" thinks that "they" are the exception to the rule. Two examples. In talking about relationships you can tell a woman that "with your man, what you see is what you get. That only one in a million men ( I'm exaggerating) will ever change, and your guy will always be the same". They will almost always agree with you...but will have the "certain" knowledge that their guy is that "one in a million". If I told you I had an IQ of 147, and that in a random sampling of 100k people, that statistically, there will only be one person smarter than me; most people will assume that to be true, as well as assuming that they are that one person.

What does this mean? In our example someone is asked a grade, they see an "authority" give a statement. The fear of being wrong will subconscously lead them to agree with the "authority". The tendency to believe that they are the exception will mentally place them with the "authority". The agreement with the grade, or opinion, validating their own status as an "authority".

I think this causes problems in a couple of ways; especially when looking at errors.

Lets look at DDO/Rs. In my opinion the biggest problem we have, other than bad photography, is that a true DDO/R can have MD as well. MD occures on all coins, whether real errors or just normal coins. When one is asked to state ones opinon on whether a particular coin is a DD or not, and one sees MD, it seems the default is to say that it is "just" MD. The fear of being wrong; the need to be an authority; and the subconscious associations with "known authorities" all contribute to a certain shyness when being asked to "certify a DD".

Years ago I published some photos of some of my more obsure DDOs. Most were LWC. At the time there was a member who was well known as an authority on LWC, deservedly I think. The first one I posted, a 1941P-DDO1 had MD. The authority immediatly identified it as such and that set the tone for my next four coins. All of which were soundly rebuked as MD. In frustration I posted a pic of a Jefferson nickel with a doubled profile, and it was almost attacked. One member telling me to stop posting till I learned to differentiate between MD and DD. When I revealed that the pic was lifted directly from the Variety Vista website, and posted a link; I received zero comments. Nor did any of my further postings of DD receive more than the occasional comment.

You see, I had been labled by the group as a "non-authority". That labeling prejudged every subsequent post. It did not matter that I later had a TPG authenticate some of my DDO(s). Everyone "knew" I did not know what I was talking about. When the detractors were faced with the fact that they had been wrong on the Jefferson, not one appologized...because none of them wanted to admit publically, that they really were not an authority.

This of course was years ago and the group membership has changed to include lots of new people.

Most people are rather nice in telling someone that their coin is not an error, or is not rare or valuble. Occasionally someone is rather rude and/or dismissive.

Some people give opinions based on poor photography, though I think that the majority do indeed state that an opinion can not be made on the basis of the current photography. Unfortunately sometimes this person is an "authority", and subsequent opinions are "bandwagon" opinions...in my professional opinion.

I think this contributes, along with the things that they other posters have alluded to, disgruntled members.

I hope this in some way helps
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02/19/2021 1:32 pm
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 Posted 02/19/2021  1:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KenKat to your friends list

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it seems that the majority of posts has shifted to 'get rich quick' topics.


Attic guy hits on something here. I think there is a general "get rich quick" mentality in society in general going on right now. How can I make a killing on Bitcoin or Dogecoin or Gamestop or Tesla? I had someone on a different board asking about 80s era baseball cards saying some of them are worth $100 or even more each. Yes, if they are 10 Gem Mint. Which they aren't. It's the exact same conversation as "is my 1968 penny worth $1000 because I grade it at 67 or 68 when in reality it's a 64 (or worse).
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 Posted 02/19/2021  1:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Keith67 to your friends list
When they ask what's it worth. They are not coin collector's. Drives me crazy.
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 Posted 02/19/2021  2:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KenKat to your friends list
Enjoyed the post jmkendall! The Simon Kenton reference is a pretty well known name around here but probably not widely known like Daniel Boone.
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 Posted 02/19/2021  2:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list
jmkendall... Excellent treatment from a unique perspective. Thanks!
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 Posted 02/19/2021  5:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
Forum Dads's comment is exactly what I would have expected.
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 Posted 02/19/2021  6:47 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list
On Facebook, it's a mixed bag. You get an equal number of vultures who proclaim that legit errors are post-mint damage, which is then followed up by absurdly cheap offers to buy... (this meme is courtesy of Jim MacKenzie).

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 Posted 02/20/2021  2:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list
Personally, I think it's a coming together of several trends and not for the best

* COVID-19 - I think we're all tired right now, shorter of temper, and less tolerant of the world in general

* Social media in general - I fully admit I'm a minimal user of Instagram, probably a borderline troll at times on Reddit, and a non-user of Facebook. What I have noticed is that almost all of the platforms have removed any ability to dislike something short of blocking the user. If your only quick choices are ignore or like, if you take the time to voice dislike it's usually more biting.

The faster pace of life in general. Easier to snap " PMD you idiot" than to explain.

The general dislike of being wrong, hurt feelings, and such discussed up thread.

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 Posted 02/23/2021  09:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverCents to your friends list
There's been a heavy influx in the variety/error coin "searchers" because as social media progresses, more and more people will start watching the silly YouTube videos saying how rich they can become. This draws them in, and sends them here.

I've noticed that society, at least more modern society, specifically relating to those that spend a good amount of their time on social media, tend to be very naive. They tend to stick with their opinions, and have the mindset "if you disagree with me, you're wrong."

That's why there's more negative commenters in that section. They're being drawn in from social media, and they bring disdain and disrespect with them.
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