2012 Toonies, Error Or Fake?

But ya same reason I'm holding onto that dark brown toonie, it's clean and iv never seen anything like it to date. If the coin was tarnished or dirty it be one thing but it's just super dark with weird lines on the queen. If I had a better camera it be alot easier for people to judge the coins I post, I can't find anything online with examples of the way it looks like with this one there is no complete answer as to why it sounds different. Iv lived in Hamilton for 30 years almost and have seen alot of coins and when I come across a weird one I want for sure answers, maybe won't quite cut it lol. But it's on me to do the testing so thank you Soo much for all of your guys knowledge. I'm a noob compared to all you:)

I would advise against trying to remove the core, the thing is, if it were to be a fake (i have my firm doubts) or an error (still a firm doubt) you would be ruining any numismatic value by doing so and lose any interest that this post has gained.

I understand you are new to collecting and have many questions as do we all, even those who are not new still to this day will find a coin that raises questions from even the most well seasoned collector. I speak from experience, I am just finishing all of my doubled die listings for the 2 Dollar coin, so I have personally searched thousands of 2012 just to create my listings and I've came across numerous coins that look just like yours, so my doubts regarding the fake or an error are as firm as it can get.

The main issue with someone making a video or doing what you ask, is most collectors cringe when they see coins being scraped against a surface, or being dropped.

You wouldn't run a key alongside your car just to see if it sounded like other cars being scraped would you?

You wouldn't drop a glass cup just to see if it sounds like another glass cup that was dropped would you?

Finding someone with the willingness to scrape or drop a potential error/variety is not likely, that is why they make scales and XRF machines.

In the video I posted the sound differences is very clear and I only have mayb 20 toonies atm that I have tested and they all sound basically the same except this one.

This is some advice for new error guys or gals, do not get caught in collecting minor die chips, doubling stuff like that, dealers have binders full for a buck or two and can't sell them, only major offset, off metal, brokerages, cataloged varieties are what your looking for and in best condition you can preserve. By dropping and flipping an coin you add damage when there are methods to find out what you have without harming the coin as mentioned. Seeing the cool overlay, my opinion of a fake is most probable, just my thoughts the Queen is odd looking still. Reason there is really almost no info on ring or ping test are they are not reliable

Adding to the advice of John100 and other experts who posted replies: listen to the experts! Some deeply engrained beliefs (like the sound a coin makes, micro-differences in weight, etc) are just plain misconceptions and distinctions without a difference.

Some experts saw thousands of coins of specific types. That is how you understand the info posted by some here. Listen to those that are a little bit ahead of you in the road.

It take years or even a lifetime to fill a gap. Some gaps will never be filled. The fun is in the hunting.

Coins hit surfaces in different angles and speed. Our heads and therefore ears are never in the same relative position to objects. The surface may be uneven. Windows may be open or shut, environment background noise higher or lower. Amount of cerúmen in the ear varies day to day. We are emotionally biased towards one result. In summary: what we hear is a sense. If one wants to translate a sense into a scientific value, one will need to control these and other variables to measure differences.

Is it important? No. Why? Because the Mint procure planchets from various vendors. Thickness of one sheet may be different from another. Impurities may have a different concentration even in the same sheet. Weight of planchets vary. Than we have the boring process: centering varies and rarely is 100% exact. Finally the core planchets composition, physical dimensions and position in the ring also varies. The Mint never published the precise specs of twoonies and their production tolerance - each one of us have a guesstimate based on personal experience, but nothing official to compare.

In summary, you are always comparing different things.

But, if you like doing it and have fun with it, please continue.

(The Mint doesn't care. They produce widgets not coins. We see coins, not them)

As previously posted by someone else I need to do more testing. If you have any simple test you can have me do on this coin or another to validate that it's a normal sound for a toonie or normal metal I'll happily do it. Or if you have several toonies or hundreds if you live in Canada then test the sound your self and compare it to the one I compare in the video I posted on page 3. I slide and drop two toonies one is normal the other is the one with alot more wear, lighter looking core and weighs a tiny bit more then the other, and the queen is closer to the rim then any other toonie iv checked to date since iv become interested. To most regular people iv asked they say it looks weird so the sounding weird makes me super curious as to what I have or if nothing. I'm not disappointed if it's nothing because then iv learned something about how toonies can sound like this one and won't have to worry about it again:p