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2012 Toonies, Error Or Fake?

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 Posted 05/28/2021  10:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is definitely more space between the underside of the bust and the rim of the coin compared to every normal toonie I have, I can see it with the naked eye without zooming in but that gif shows it more. You can see the spacing grow at the bottom of the core
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 Posted 05/28/2021  10:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also thanks alot for taking the time to do that I really appreciate it. I dont think the queen gets bigger idk but the edge definitely moves away from the bottom right side of the queen's bust by a few millimeters at least I'd say
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 Posted 05/28/2021  10:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Deterioration will widen devices, making the "bust" look larger and leave more space. Either way, the obverse on both of your coins are 100% normal. Only way I will be convinced otherwise is if you get an XRF done, and even then in the ciruclated condition it is in your not looking at any sort of premium, and if for an extremely unlikely scenario where it turns out to be a fake, you'll never be able to sell it.

Long story short, you have $2.
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 Posted 05/28/2021  10:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd be Kool with it being a fake. It be the first documented security toonie fake Wich would be worth saving just because of the fact that there is none. If it's not fake and a normal loonie then I will just spend it lol, mayb I'll buy a couple rolls of toonies and see if any of them have the ring sound missing. It's just when I come across a coin that seems different then others(even if it's not rare) I want to know why. Iv been given possible reasons but no examples to date. And is really if I find a coin that's not worth more then it's face value it would be a filler piece and a start to a collection. But the more I can learn the better. Also compared to America coinage, Canadian errors are alot less talked about
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 Posted 05/28/2021  10:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Other then the queen looking closer to the rim the sound is the only thing that throws me off, if the middle was loose it should pop out easily correct? Should I try and pop out the center? Like using tools or what?
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 Posted 05/28/2021  10:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
But ya same reason I'm holding onto that dark brown toonie, it's clean and iv never seen anything like it to date. If the coin was tarnished or dirty it be one thing but it's just super dark with weird lines on the queen. If I had a better camera it be alot easier for people to judge the coins I post, I can't find anything online with examples of the way it looks like with this one there is no complete answer as to why it sounds different. Iv lived in Hamilton for 30 years almost and have seen alot of coins and when I come across a weird one I want for sure answers, maybe won't quite cut it lol. But it's on me to do the testing so thank you Soo much for all of your guys knowledge. I'm a noob compared to all you:)
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 Posted 05/28/2021  10:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just curious out of the 1/100000000 chance that it's a security toony struck on a full or partial 2012 non security would it be worth saving then?
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 Posted 05/28/2021  10:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would advise against trying to remove the core, the thing is, if it were to be a fake (i have my firm doubts) or an error (still a firm doubt) you would be ruining any numismatic value by doing so and lose any interest that this post has gained.

I understand you are new to collecting and have many questions as do we all, even those who are not new still to this day will find a coin that raises questions from even the most well seasoned collector. I speak from experience, I am just finishing all of my doubled die listings for the 2 Dollar coin, so I have personally searched thousands of 2012 just to create my listings and I've came across numerous coins that look just like yours, so my doubts regarding the fake or an error are as firm as it can get.
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 Posted 05/28/2021  10:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's why I said 1/10000000 I accept the chances it's anything special are low. Other then it being a little bit heavier then all my other security toonies even though it has more wear then most of them and the sound of you look at me doing a drop test and slide test on my video it sounds different . If anyone can post a video of a non fake toonie making the noise this one makes I'd be sure it's just another toonie. But there is nothing online about the sound and other then my fake 1996 toonie I have yet to find one that sounds so dull, though I haven't been checking the sound for long
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 Posted 05/28/2021  10:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The main issue with someone making a video or doing what you ask, is most collectors cringe when they see coins being scraped against a surface, or being dropped.

You wouldn't run a key alongside your car just to see if it sounded like other cars being scraped would you?

You wouldn't drop a glass cup just to see if it sounds like another glass cup that was dropped would you?

Finding someone with the willingness to scrape or drop a potential error/variety is not likely, that is why they make scales and XRF machines.
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 Posted 05/28/2021  10:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm asking someone to do it with a normal toonie, I want to know if there is other toonies with the same sound of there is normal toonies with the same sound then I'd know it's just a normal thing that can happen to any toonie
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 Posted 05/28/2021  10:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In the video I posted the sound differences is very clear and I only have mayb 20 toonies atm that I have tested and they all sound basically the same except this one.
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 Posted 05/28/2021  11:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It also dosnt have to be dropped or scraped, don't by flicking the coin in the air with my nails you can hear the difference so iv been flicking every one I come across to find a toonie with such a dull sound.
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 Posted 05/28/2021  11:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is some advice for new error guys or gals, do not get caught in collecting minor die chips, doubling stuff like that, dealers have binders full for a buck or two and can't sell them, only major offset, off metal, brokerages, cataloged varieties are what your looking for and in best condition you can preserve. By dropping and flipping an coin you add damage when there are methods to find out what you have without harming the coin as mentioned. Seeing the cool overlay, my opinion of a fake is most probable, just my thoughts the Queen is odd looking still. Reason there is really almost no info on ring or ping test are they are not reliable
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 Posted 05/28/2021  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd be happy with a fake security coin:) I just need some coins to start filling my binder even if there not worth extra or super rare just for a collection and filler pieces
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