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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: With the current sky high premium for junk silver and ASEs, what are your favorite buys now? I haven't bought an ounce of silver since exactly two years ago when spot hit $12. Following silver today, I disregard the spot price as meaningless. The 'premium' is the actual price of physical silver in retail, and that's going to vary, IMO. I really like pre-33 gold but it's sure pricey. Fond of $10 Indian but it's almost doubled in price since I last bought one. Afa selling precious? I wouldn't have to even leave the house. Good prices being paid by major online vendors.
When I listen to LED ZEPPELIN...so do my neighbors... Roll hunting since '77 Dirt fishing since '72
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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"Spot x .715 = melt value for 90%" "Do not buy junk silver as close to spot as you can. Buy it as close to melt as you can. Today,20% over melt is still less than spot." Spot and melt are the same thing. The full calculation is "face x .715 x spot", or in other words (at this minutes spot) $10.00 x .715 x $25.52 = $182.47 you can't calculate melt value without the spot price so pretending melt and spot are different is meaningless. Melt is simply a way to calculate the silver content weight of the face value of coins. another way to do it would be .715 x $25.52 = $18.25 (.715 x spot) and then multiply that by face I challenge anyone to tell me the melt value of a roll of dimes without referring to spot in the calculation. And spot is the only changing variable the .715 and the face value of a specific coin does not change. A dime is a dime today and a week from now and a month from now and it will always take ten of them to make a dollar. If it's value changes it is because the spot price of silver changed the value of silver is weight x spot, whether that weight is based on .715 of face or 1 oz round or 1000 ounce bar. the key is to get as close to that value by minimizing the premium and at the same time dealing in something others recognize as having value. A generic round and a ASE may have the same silver value but the ASE has a higher premium both buying and selling. what we see in the smaller market (i.e. stackers typically buying 500 ounces of phyiscal or less) is the premium climbs not only as the spot changes but as physical becomes scarcer. I think we might be heading int a situation like that as people look to shelter money from inflation
Edited by jaxenro 03/21/2022 8:01 pm
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Valued Member
United States
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It depends on your purpose, your worry.
You can buy SIVR, a silver ETF, or GLD, a gold ETF, on the stock market. .30% annual fees on SIVR. Supposing you held it for 10 years and silver went up 3% in that time, you could cash out at even. No one buys to break even in dollars, though. Maybe break even in real purchasing power, especially as an inflation hedge. On that level, 3% cost to hold for 10 years is pretty good. No spread to cover. No risk of theft other than the risk of government theft, like Roosevelt did with gold. You would be a sitting target there holding SIVR.
Another reason to hold silver or gold (or cigarettes or bullets) is to be holding something in case of an apocalypse or hyperinflation. 90% silver half dollars might be the best thing to be holding then.
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Valued Member
United States
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As long as DXY is rising and you are paid in dollars there's no hurry.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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I have a small junk silver stash. Almost all of it was acquired at way below melt as a co lateral buy from small numismatic lots at public auction, where the main subject of the lot was of particular numismatic interest.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Sel, any silver bought or acquired below melt is very good. Today you are lucky to get any silver @ spot price. I used to get silver below melt but that was many, many years ago.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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13 Oct 22 spot $18.78. FV 90% about $20.00/$. Melt @ $18.78 spot is $13.43 melt. My best deal is $18.50 FV. We now pay spot prices for 90% not melt. Melt price no longer matters.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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One can also buy precious metals in Kitco's pool accounts. This is an easy way to buy and sell metal backed assets with a relatively low spread and no shipping involved. I've done this from time to time. I don't care for ETFs because of the fees involved, which are ongoing (not one time) and causes asset deterioration.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Most of us know that there is not enough physical on hand to cover paper contracts. Thus the manipulation. Get what you can now.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I only skimmed this, so maybe someone has already addressed this, but while agree premiums for gold, and especially silver seem "sky high".....has anyone sold these items back to the dealer? If silver is at $20 and they're selling ASE's for $26 that seems excessive, but what if they're buying them for $24? I've never sold any silver so I don't know. Maybe they don't even offer $20.
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Valued Member
Canada
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easy to check. Ask any of the bigger online dealers what they buy ASEs for.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4333 Posts |
Quote: I only skimmed this, so maybe someone has already addressed this, but while agree premiums for gold, and especially silver seem "sky high".....has anyone sold these items back to the dealer? If silver is at $20 and they're selling ASE's for $26 that seems excessive, but what if they're buying them for $24? I've never sold any silver so I don't know. Maybe they don't even offer $20. ASE's are selling at 100% premiums right now ($39) at the big name vendors. Buy backs are $30. Quite the spread.
When I listen to LED ZEPPELIN...so do my neighbors... Roll hunting since '77 Dirt fishing since '72
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Valued Member
United States
52 Posts |
I buy BU gold buffalos as close to spot as I can find them. AGE can be had in fractional sized. Works for me
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Valued Member
United States
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Older thread, so things are a bit different now. To echo what some of the previous posters said, it really depends on why you're stacking. I'm not as familiar with gold, so I'll only speak to silver.
If you're just looking to stack as much silver as you can, you should probably look at larger bars (even poured ones). They usually carry a smaller premium on a per ounce basis. The disadvantage is that you need to have the money upfront to buy this much silver, and it's not fractional like the smaller rounds/bars, when you actually want to spend it. Of course, the ultimate would be to actually take delivery from the COMEX, but that requires very deep pockets.
For the average retail stacker, you're probably looking at 1 ounce rounds and bars. I know some people like Eagles, but the premiums are insane and really not worth it, in my opinion. Buffalos are fine, and even those Apmex-branded ones are fine, too. Personally, I'm not too picky, since 999 silver is 999 silver is 999 silver.
At this point, I would leave junk silver to the numismatists, since the premiums are way too high. You used to be able to buy junk silver at spot or even slightly below spot, but no more. These are even more expensive than Buffalos. You can get cull for less, but the appeal of junk silver to me is that it's recognized and accepted by everyone; if one doesn't have the date, then it raises authenticity questions when you actually want to use it.
In all honesty, in my opinion, I would wait to stack more. LCSs, dealers, miners, and many silver enthusiasts are always talking about $50 silver, $100 silver, $1,000 silver, but if it actually gets there, there are bigger problems you have worry about, like hyperinflation, global war, nuclear winter, etc. The price of silver is volatile, much more so than gold. When it goes hyperbolic like it did in the last few months, it usually crashes back down at some point. I just saw on the mainstream news that analysts are now talking up silver and gold. Once the masses get a hold of it and start piling in, it's the beginning of the end. Not saying there is a bubble forming, but personally, I would not buy in at this point, unless you're a speculator. My own prediction for 2023 low for silver is $17-$18, but we shall see. If it breaks through some resistance levels, I think we could see $15 silver.
Cheers!
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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If you are buying ASE's at 100% premium, you are not a silver bullion stacker.
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