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The ebay listing is NOT the same coin. Could you please give us a better in focus picture of the first image, and crop both pictures? We need to read the lettering around the edge, and it can be tricky for worn coins, since the letters do not look like our modern ones, and they used a lot of Latin abbreviations. Most of the coins from this period are very thin. Also, a wallet is not a good place to keep this coin. It can be exposed to moisture and heat and could easily be bent. Edited by oriole
08/16/2021 8:39 pm
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@tdziemia,that looks like it but it's hard to tell, I don't have the coin lol it went back in his wallet on his health card:p these are the only photos I took on my phone. I also know nothing about coins like this. I'm looking for advice I should give my work friend on this coin.
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In terms of things to tell him:
"WHat you have is a medaieval French coin called a "denier". [That's pronounced "deener" rather than the English word "denier"]. We're not entirely sure, but it seems to date from the time of Duke Geoffrey of Anjou (ruled AD 1129-1151). He was married to Matilda, the widowed daughter of English king Henry I; her claim to be queen of England led to the decades-long civil war in England known as "The Anarchy" (1135-1153)."
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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@sap, very insightful, it's a very old coin then, should I tell him to take it out of his wallet then:p? Not the best place to save any coin.
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An interesting coin, and a bit challenging to identify. @tdziemia, you are on the right track. It is a French feudal denier from the late 12th century, from the County of Anjou. Although the inscriptions are hard to read, I read them as follows: Obverse: FVLCO COMES (Count Fulk) Reverse: VRBS ANDECSV (City of Angers), at center the Fulk monogram. Angers was the capital of the County of Anjou. ANDECSV (ND ligatured) is one of many more or less corrupted forms of the city's latin name Andecavis. The Fulks were counts of Anjou, and although the last of the Fulks, Fulk V, reigned 1109-29, this type of coin is usually considered to be from the 2nd half of the 12th century (which is when Richard the Lionheart was count of Anjou). This kind of "immobilizing" well known and widely accepted coin types was common during this period. Here is another example of the coin, which went for 62 € at an auction: https://www.cgbfr.com/anjou-comte-d...67452,a.htmlAnd yes, do take it out of the wallet ... |
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 Very nice job making out the legends... I figured you would be the "closer" on this one. I could see the VRBS A---CSV, but couldn't make out the ruler. |
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Very cool, oldest coin I have seen by far lol, I'll let him know all this info today, mayb I can get a better picture a lot of the coins from this era look similar.
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I'd have to guess the person that got hit for him, or the person they bought it from cleaned this coin, looks far to clean and no build up of any kind in the coin. Which is unfortunate if he ever did want to sell it. I imagine he's the kind of guy to keep it in his wallet on his health card even after I tell him this lol.
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It might have been cleaned at some point, not uncommon for coins this old that can have passed through the hands of a number of collectors. It is not a big problem, for coins this old general appearance is more important than whether it has been cleaned at some point in time. It is a far worse problem that your friend keeps it in his wallet, where this thin and fragile coin may suffer irreparable damage.
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08/17/2021 07:50 am
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It looks pretty dinged up as it is, what do you think this would be worth in CAD? Mayb if it's worth something and I tell him it will get damaged in his wallet he will take it out and maybe put it in a 2×2 or something. He isn't really interested in coins but knows I am so he shower me. He's into model ships lol.
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Something like 20-40 CAD seems reasonable, maybe even more on a good day.  |
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Ya doubt that's enough for him to take it out lol.
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I carry thin coins in my wallet in coin flips, backed with a credit card or two for a hard flat surface. No bending. Done it for years.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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