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1832 50c Capped Bust Half Dollar #3 - Overton 113A

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 Posted 09/10/2021  7:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldfordman to your friends list
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 Posted 09/10/2021  8:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list
What are the scratch-like marks at K4-5 and K10-11 on the obverse? Ignoring these, I agree with AU-58. Might even get a "+".
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 Posted 09/10/2021  8:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list
What you refer to as scratch-like marks are called mint strike metal flow lines. If the die surfaces are better polished, like in the case of later 19th century Morgan dollars, the flow lines are finer and harder to see, but create the ridges that that produce the cartwheel luster in silver dollars. In the early 19th century, mint dies were not as finely polished and the die alloy was not as hard thus earlier dies created more prominent flow lines. Flow lines, like the ridges that cause luster to appear in Morgan dollars, are indications of an uncirculated coin. These mint flow lines, which are coarse ridges caused by metal moving under the pressure of the strike, rub away rapidly as the coin is handled in circulation.

For more info, see here: https://www.coinbooks.org/v21/esylu...1n32a16.html
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Wow, I just learned something, this place is like college, except it's free and you actually remember what you studied.
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What you refer to as scratch-like marks are called mint strike metal flow lines.


Thanks for the explanation.
And why do some of the stars seem to be trunked to the edge of the coin?
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 Posted 09/10/2021  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Pics don't throw enough light on the surfaces to see details clearly. No grade.
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 Posted 09/10/2021  9:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list
The Overton-113a variety with the (a) designation indicates that this is a late die state of the 113 die pair. As such, when bust half dollar dies became worn, in general they tended to create a strike impression on the coin that exhibited an elongation of the stars toward the edge or rim. The distance between the stars and the rim as well as the distance between the stars and lettering is small, and proportionally smaller in larger coins. These small areas between voids in the die surface were prone to not holding their shape or outright cracking or breaking off, especially when die alloys were not as hard and durable after many thousands of impressions.

The mint was forced to create harder and more durable dies in the middle of the 19th century right before the Civil War when harder copper-nickel coins were introduced that wore and broke existing dies very quickly. The advances made then out of necessity benefited softer gold and silver striking and production from that point forward.

Also dies were much more expensive before the industrial revolution, so the Mint tried to use failing and failed dies long beyond their useful life. Elongated stars are characteristic of early bust coinage in particular, although other series and denominations show this, usually less prominently.
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All I know is one thing, the bust coins are expensive, I'm trying to learn, but they allude me. I'm trying to learn, but in my personal prefence (which no one cares about) I just dont find it an attractive coin. That being said, I'm learning about them thanks to the fourum.

That in return helps me learn about other coins.

Thanks for the schooling guys. I make notes, This place is great.
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 Posted 09/17/2021  12:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list
This is probably the second finest capped bust liberty half dollar I have ever owned. Blazing luster on this baby. Thoughts? Thanks!

1832-50c-Capped-Bust-Half-Dollar-#3---Overton-113A
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Much better pics, and nice luster! Looks mint state and original with strong die flow lines in a very late state die. Some scattered nicks, but I'd say it just makes MS-63.
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 Posted 09/17/2021  08:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list
Why sellers sell mid-high dollar coins raw with subpar pics is better ok new me. Their loss your gain . With new pics I'm at MS62.
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 Posted 09/17/2021  5:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list
Late to the party (as usual). That is one fantastic coin!
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Knockout coin, congrats.
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 Posted 09/17/2021  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list
Gorgeous coin. I do like the flow lines. They seem to add an aura to Liberty.
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MS-62 imo, very nice.
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