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Does Whizzing A MS-62 Coin Patina Knock It Down From A MS Classification

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 Posted 10/04/2021  7:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
In my opinion, the short answer is
NO

An MS62 coin (unwhizzed), should show no wear anywhere, with only the slightest scuffing of the luster on the high points.

If a coin has been whizzed, it can be automatically assumed that the whizzing has caused wear on the high points of the design, and thus the damaged coin by definition cannot get any grade MS-60 or above.

I agree with Spence the a TPGrader would refuse to grade it.
However for many collectors, including myself, the coin still has some value, and still worthy of consideration for purchase at the right price.
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 Posted 10/04/2021  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Definitely it would not. Whizzing = ungraqdable.
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10/04/2021 8:31 pm
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 Posted 10/04/2021  8:52 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list
Whizzing equates to coin murder!
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 Posted 10/04/2021  11:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cdngmt to your friends list
glad to see Pacificoin is so laissez faire about whizzing..
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 Posted 10/05/2021  06:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
Best you could expect when graded would be UNC Details - Whizzed, or UNC Details - Improperly Cleaned.
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 Posted 10/05/2021  09:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KenKat to your friends list
^ agree with Condor
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 Posted 10/05/2021  10:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list
with KenKat who agrees with Conder 101 .
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 Posted 10/05/2021  5:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdpmedia to your friends list




Quote:
...UNC Details - Improperly Cleaned.


Improperly cleaned is now properly clarified
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 Posted 11/14/2021  07:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JasonKflo to your friends list
No dont do it or even think about it.
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 Posted 11/14/2021  3:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add radars_teddy to your friends list
It depends on how you define whizzing
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 Posted 11/14/2021  6:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
Just no
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 Posted 11/14/2021  8:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumismaticsFTW to your friends list
Please tell me you're joking with this question.

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 Posted 11/14/2021  8:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add radars_teddy to your friends list
Well, Whizzing by definition is removing small amounts of metal from the surface in an attempt to make the coin look birght. That obviously is contrary to a mint condition. So either he is defining whizzing differently or his idea of mint is worng.
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 Posted 11/15/2021  04:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdpmedia to your friends list

Quote:
. joking with this question.


The purpose of this forum is to gain knowledge from a diverse group of discriminating members likely to point out erroneous affirmations. When I ask questions it is because I do not want to waste exorbitant amounts of time doing research work on my own that can be at times drudgery.

To keep this short I simply wanted to avoid reading a 384 page book like " ANA Grading Standards" by Bressett and find out that no discussion exists about HOW these experts arrived at each MS level, especially 60. Sure, I feel confident that this book differentiates each grading level adequately for graders to follow which would be the primary scope of its writing. But all of this is post-development implementation of the standards.

In my case I desired to better grasp the reasoning of the ANA committee of experts that essentially took over in the 1970s the Sheldon-created MS scale begun in the 1940s. I asked myself how they could justify scratches and dents for an MS 60 coin as acceptable but exclude very much less noticeable minuscule fine lines.

Do not all dents, scratches and fine whiz lines compromise the integrity of the patina? It seemed like a reasonable inquiry deserving clarification but undeserving of ridicule.
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 Posted 11/15/2021  04:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add radars_teddy to your friends list
I feel as if I am being trolled. Otherwise, I don't know why a long term member who has enough background and knowledge to know how many pages are in the ANA grading guild would ask such an transparent question and then fain ignorance of how obvious the question is. Such a person would already know that sanding down a coin, like a car body shop, would destroy it.
Edited by radars_teddy
11/15/2021 05:45 am
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