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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Ya Wrekkdd, but that is just most of the time. Sometimes the doubling is around the outside.
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10/08/2021 10:29 am
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Valued Member
 United States
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Yes I have read them. I knew where it was common but what I saw threw me. 100 percent serrifs and the devices that had separation weren't flat or shelf like. Now I did see some MD on it but that was with the separation too. Like in the center of the devices where the O or D was. On the inside it was falling away and not rounded. We will see what happens. All I know is it is absolutely the best hobby in my opinion. I wont ever get tired of being let down. Haha.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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 coop did mention a doubled hub doubling on a 1999 quarter I believe but for a different reason then what would normally cause them. I believe extra thickness can show on IGWT but on liberty etc I don't think anything would show. Though if one was found who knows anything is possible lol. Being let down is just a lesson learned so every wrong call is a lesson learned (there is no loosing when you learn something new) hope it turns out for you. Let us know what you find out. |
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Valued Member
United States
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Yes sir. Absolutely. in the beginning I was let down so many times but it never phased me because like you said it's learning. Building your knowledge. Thank you for the information. I will certainly let you guys know what Wex says. I just hope he reads and responds haha. Depending on his information I will post to coneca as suggested too.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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All of the lettering on the reverse is incuse, a true doubled die affecting these letters would not look like true doubling on raised lettering. I'd recommend looking at E PLURIBUS UNUM on the strong shield cent DDRs, especially 2011 DDR-001, for comparison: http://www.varietyvista.com/01e%20L...PDDR001.htm, to see what incuse hub doubling looks like on single-squeezed dies. Also check out this Swiss 5 Rappen DDO I found which has strong doubling on the incuse word LIBERTAS: http://crdievarieties.com/doku.php?...ppensddo001, this would be what incuse hub doubling looks like on multiple-squeezed dies. Now for the obverse I see some clear MD on the mintmark D. I do not see much of anything on the other lettering, so I think what you're seeing is potentially a lighting/glare issue. There are a number of DDOs with doubling on IGWT and LIBERTY but they are all extra thickness-type doubling typically with no obvious separation. Also, only exceptionally strong doubled dies have visible doubling on the outer lettering for on newer coins. Typically doubled dies from the single-squeeze era have doubling isolated to the center or are too weak to visibly affect outer elements. Quote:
coop did mention a doubled hub doubling on a 1999 quarter There is a major DDO known on the proof Pennsylvania quarters. However, I suspect this was created with a multiple-squeeze hubbing press. The mint has confirmed that older multiple-squeeze presses were still in use in 1999, although they confirmed this only for the Susan B Anthony dollars. A 2020 quarter die would certainly be made with a single-squeeze press. |
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Valued Member
United States
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Mr Wexler replied back to my email and wants to see the coin. So I am sending it to him. We will see.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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This is very exciting, let us know the results!
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Note the affected areas are all on the outside edges of the devices. Nothing is enlarged. The common areas for a doubled die are not affected. So I'm leaning towards Machine Doubling as well. All the incuse devices are showing it, it only makes sense that all the raised devices have it as well. The lower central area above the date was a concern to me as to why it looks that way. But even using an inverted image on that area, is not showing what I wondered about. The devices must be very large?  Still looking at several images yet to see what is going on for sure on that one area? No listings yet on the sites for a DDO or DDR. But I'm still thinking MD on both sides of the coin.    But the lower design I feel there is a relief around those letters:  Hard to tell from the images I can find so far on the sites. Edited by coop
10/08/2021 1:12 pm
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Valued Member
United States
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@Tanman2001 Thank you very much for the information and reply. It may very well be from a glare and I am certainly keeping an open mind as to what it can be. All I can say for certain is it got my attention because it was so different from all of the MD I have seen on these. It seems every one has it. I will send it to Mr. Wexler. Hopefully then I can know for certain.
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Valued Member
United States
86 Posts |
Thank you @Coop. I know you guys are spot on. Like stated earlier if nothing else a great learning experience. Also would be a great teaching tool for you to make images of and references to in the future. I tell ya I love this hobby and all of the possibilities that come with it. And if this turns out to be Machine Doubling it is the nastiest and meanest ever!! Hahaha. |
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United States
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As promised here are two more photos. The single is of the coin in question. Then I have two of the same side by side. The left is a regular P minted and the right is the D minted.   |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Try taking close up images to see if the devices are showing angled sides. All the images I've obtained doesn't show that, but I suspect that is what is going on with the devices above the date? If it looks like that on all sides of the devices. The reason I ask it that the tops of the devices look like Machine Doubling that pushed back that area? |
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United States
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@Coop. Ok. I will. We do not have the internet or a computer here where we live. We are very secluded. I will go to my mother's at some point and get 9n her computer. I will upload some pictures showing the devices at different angles so light shouldn't be an issue. Hopefully that will help us some. I can say the Land Stewardship devices don't fall off. There are two distinct humps. The first image and the one behind it. Those do not appear MD. I will also look again tonight and try to get some different angles without Light like John asked. Before I send it off tomorrow.
Sorry it took so long to respond.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Are these devices incuse on that area above the date, or raised?
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
3328 Posts |
The last photos are confusing but if it is a P and D mint mark non proof it should be incuse. From the couple I have they are all incuse but I don't have a proof.
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