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2020 Marsh-Billings Split Serrifs OBV & Rev

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Good morning. These quarters are notorious for Machine Doubling. I have seen thousands roll hunting and learning about different types of doubling. This quarter stood out immediately without the aid of a microscope due to the thickness of the image. Not an outward thickness but upward. Under the scope Machine Doubling is visible in places Still but all devices have splits and separation. It is strong and very visible. Obverse and reverse. I want to post here so others who has a lot more knowledge can look and give their much valued opinion. I have many photos but will only post a couple of close up images. If you would like all of the close up photos I can email them.
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 Posted 10/08/2021  09:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter4 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks pretty promising, let's see what others say.
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10x4 @coìnhunter4. The pictures show it ok but in hand it is very pronounced. If it is double die for sure it will be my second to date. First was a 1964 cent DDR 101. Very noticeable variety. I'm not great at the close spreads on circulated stuff but when you see things like this it jumps out at you. Thanks for your comment my friend.
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As far as I know the doubling on these single squeeze die coins is located on the central area of the coin like the ear or the hand on the reverse.
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Looks like MD and light induced doubling. Work on getting rid of the light glare.
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You should send it to Wexler and get it attributed, if this really is a DDO and DDR, then this is a really cool variety! I will be keeping an eye out for it, even if I rarely see Denver mints around here...
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Or maybe you would post it on CONECA's forum?
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I did email Wexler. Waiting his response. I will send to the others too. Thanks for the info
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I'm fairly certain modern coins with single squeeze dies do not have doubled dies on dates and legends etc. Only the central area gets a little Kidd of doubling such as a doubled ear or hand etc. Coop has some really good articles explains where to look for doubled dies on single squeeze die coins.

Edit:type single squeeze die hub doubling in the search bar for more info on them.
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Ya Wrekkdd, but that is just most of the time. Sometimes the doubling is around the outside.
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Yes I have read them. I knew where it was common but what I saw threw me. 100 percent serrifs and the devices that had separation weren't flat or shelf like. Now I did see some MD on it but that was with the separation too. Like in the center of the devices where the O or D was. On the inside it was falling away and not rounded. We will see what happens. All I know is it is absolutely the best hobby in my opinion. I wont ever get tired of being let down. Haha.
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coop did mention a doubled hub doubling on a 1999 quarter I believe but for a different reason then what would normally cause them. I believe extra thickness can show on IGWT but on liberty etc I don't think anything would show. Though if one was found who knows anything is possible lol.

Being let down is just a lesson learned so every wrong call is a lesson learned (there is no loosing when you learn something new) hope it turns out for you. Let us know what you find out.
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Yes sir. Absolutely. in the beginning I was let down so many times but it never phased me because like you said it's learning. Building your knowledge. Thank you for the information. I will certainly let you guys know what Wex says. I just hope he reads and responds haha. Depending on his information I will post to coneca as suggested too.
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All of the lettering on the reverse is incuse, a true doubled die affecting these letters would not look like true doubling on raised lettering. I'd recommend looking at E PLURIBUS UNUM on the strong shield cent DDRs, especially 2011 DDR-001, for comparison: http://www.varietyvista.com/01e%20L...PDDR001.htm, to see what incuse hub doubling looks like on single-squeezed dies. Also check out this Swiss 5 Rappen DDO I found which has strong doubling on the incuse word LIBERTAS: http://crdievarieties.com/doku.php?...ppensddo001, this would be what incuse hub doubling looks like on multiple-squeezed dies.

Now for the obverse I see some clear MD on the mintmark D. I do not see much of anything on the other lettering, so I think what you're seeing is potentially a lighting/glare issue. There are a number of DDOs with doubling on IGWT and LIBERTY but they are all extra thickness-type doubling typically with no obvious separation. Also, only exceptionally strong doubled dies have visible doubling on the outer lettering for on newer coins. Typically doubled dies from the single-squeeze era have doubling isolated to the center or are too weak to visibly affect outer elements.


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coop did mention a doubled hub doubling on a 1999 quarter


There is a major DDO known on the proof Pennsylvania quarters. However, I suspect this was created with a multiple-squeeze hubbing press. The mint has confirmed that older multiple-squeeze presses were still in use in 1999, although they confirmed this only for the Susan B Anthony dollars. A 2020 quarter die would certainly be made with a single-squeeze press.
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Mr Wexler replied back to my email and wants to see the coin. So I am sending it to him. We will see.
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