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 Posted 10/22/2021  10:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list
I agree with the Frog. Littleton has done more harm than good to the hobby. Best to avoid dealing with them altogether. I know personally of someone who was taken in by them and unable to recoup funds spent over several years worth of "investing". Just say "no."

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 Posted 10/23/2021  12:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list
Please break it to your Mom softly, her intentions are good but her purchases are just a waste of money. Maybe you could learn the hobby and purchase something together, letting her know "with this coin I will remember the time we......"

Best of luck on getting her to stop.
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 Posted 10/23/2021  01:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LennaWB to your friends list

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 Posted 10/23/2021  02:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LennaWB to your friends list
Sorry I wanted to post the pictures but I was called away and had to post them when I got home. Hi to all the people who replied. I forgot to mention that she has dementia and getting her to listen is harder so I'm going to have to write a note and tape it up around her Not to buy fake or copy coins from anyone and commemorative coins are not worth the price since they have no value. I'm going to have to find a buyer just for the the fake coins so I can see her get something back from them. I'm going have to research the Littleton coins and see what she's got for value and show her the difference of worth and paid for. I know some of them are very old but she has many of the different gold colored $1 coins.
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 Posted 10/23/2021  02:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LennaWB to your friends list
I came across this coin in a book hard to make out
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 Posted 10/23/2021  11:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nick10 to your friends list
The "coin in a book" is a Standing Liberty quarter, but due to wear it is worth only its silver content, $4 to $5 currently. The 1967 half dollar is worth $3 to $4 for its silver. The 1914 penny looks to have a mint mark nelow its date. If that mark is a D (which is very unlikely) that's a $100 coin, if an S, then maybe a couple dollars. All other coins depicted are worth perhaps a few cents over face value. The non-coins (tokens, copies) that lack a precious metal have no value today because there is no demand for them.
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 Posted 10/23/2021  11:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
I'm sorry to say she is not "investing" properly. If she's looking to leave something behind, she should buy graded, slabbed key date coins (PCGS/NGC). Those will go up in value.
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 Posted 10/24/2021  12:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumismaticsFTW to your friends list
That's unfortunate, she is getting ripped off. Let her know and attempt to prevent it with the sticky note idea. That should work (hopefully).
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 Posted 10/24/2021  10:03 am  Show Profile   Check Lancek's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Lancek to your friends list
Agree with everything said so far. Would also add, it is tough to make money buying and selling coins, even if they are decent coins. You see coin shops go out of biz all the time. And those are professionals. The ones that make it are able to buy tens of thousands of dollar of coins at 40% below retail and sell at retail.

Coin collecting is supposed to be about the enjoyment of the person doing the collecting.

Biggest problem you are going to have is where to sell them. Coin shops only want the good stuff. And pay below retail for that. Local auctioneer? Usually 20% commission and you won't get much for the "copy" or non US mint stuff unless its silver or gold. ebay? Takes a while to get established enough to get a good price. And you generally sell in smaller lots, rather than one big collection. Which means lots of time packaging and shipping. Plus ebay takes 12%.

Huntington's disease runs in my family. So I've dealt with a parent and aunts and uncles with dementia. So I know conversation with them are tough. But maybe just ask her. Where does she think you are going to be able to take this collection to sell it.

One good online resource for pricing US coins she got from Littleton is Numismedia.com. But don't trust the grade Littleton put on the outside to be accurate. PCGS, a reputable coin grader, has a Photograde section. With examples of pretty much every US coin on it at various grades.

The one good thing I will say about Littleton. I've never seen or heard of a time where they knowingly packaged counterfeit coins as real. So if authenticated and in their bags, probably legit. Just over priced and maybe over graded.


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 Posted 10/25/2021  08:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kenwright396 to your friends list
Concur with what others have said about Littleton. Gaining knowledge of the hobby is your best option while asking your mom to stop purchasing during this time, IMO
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 Posted 10/25/2021  09:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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The Littleton company is a leech on the hobby that has been suckering novice collectors for three generations...
Ouch. A little harsh?

While they are hardly saints, they are not the demons you portray.

I have to say, I may not be collecting today if it were not for my 1981-1983 run with Littleton. They filled a need when I did not have access to an LCS and had no idea what a coin show was.

Do I recommend them? No.

Things were different 40 years ago. Your mileage may vary.
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 Posted 10/25/2021  09:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Perhaps my choice of words was not the best. Let's just say that no company in the world has sold more junk than Littleton.
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 Posted 10/25/2021  11:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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Let's just say that no company in the world has sold more junk than Littleton.
There may be an argument for this, considering the volume of sales they have had in their many years.
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 Posted 10/29/2021  2:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Big-Kingdom to your friends list
I'd say for sure she's overpaying for what it is. That said, there's a couple factors at play here. If she's not mentally competent to take care of herself anymore, that needs to be addressed and something put in place for her own wellbeing, it's not a "why are you buying junk" conversation. If she has dementia and can't function daily weekly monthly, she really shouldn't be in charge of her finances anymore, and things put into place so she has her needs met and can't spend money she needs on a whim.

if she is competent, and she's got her bills paid, she's free to blow her money on whatever catchers her fancy, even if you think it's a bad idea, it's her money and if she burns through it and there's nothing left in the estate in the end, again, it's hers to do with as she wishes. You could voice your opinion, but it's hers and she might not like your opinion on how she spends her money.

I would suggest you don't approach it from the angle that she doesn't know what she's doing, or she's being taken advantage of or getting ripped off though, it's a bad idea. She's a grown person, and may get triggered by you butting into what she likes and wants to do. It might be more productive to take interest in it and what she's doing, is she buying these items for something to pass on? or is it because she likes it herself and using that as an excuse? See what she likes about it, and steer it in a more productive direction, while you spend time with her in the process.
or if she's doing it for something to pass on of significance, maybe find out what she likes that has value and steer her in that direction going forward.


This all said, I see nothing there in the pictures that sells in the hundreds or thousands dollar range individually. All of the items pictured could be bought right now from littleton, or American Mint for $10-$20-$30 each. Maybe something that sold for like $50 tops. If she spent thousands, these items aren't it.

Not sure your particular situation and if you are seeing the charges, or she's telling you she paid a lot for them, but those items all sell relatively cheaply. I looked most of it up, these pictures are full blown retail from the sellers for around $400 for all that is pictured, and it's likely worth a quarter to half of that, maybe if it were all sold to people on ebay.

From this isn't not as bad as it sounded at first, it's bad, but it's not that bad.

As far as Littleton, they do a "coins-on-approval" system, American Mint might do the same. They mail you items, you have to send them back or they will bill you.

Simple calls to them telling them she is elderly with dementia and you will report them to authorities for elder exploitation and to remove her from any on-approval programs they might have her on, should put an end to that nonsense quickly, if she's mentally competent to take care of herself and her finances though, there's not much you can do, she can go right back to them if she chooses.

I wish you the best of luck with the situation, but I think you should tread carfully on how you handle it. My mom like the mail order catalogs and buys overpriced junk, we've had arguments over it, but she's competent, and in the end it's her money, and she's constantly going to go to the "well your brothers never come and see me, I'm by myself all the time unless you come by"

For the record, I go by daily and spend time with my mom because I know she's alone. She does the by mail catalog shopping, because it's what makes her happy during covid and hiding from the world and the tv news nonsense, and, and, plenty of reasons. and yeah, I've got crappy brothers that live close enough to stop by daily also, but don't but are gonna wish they had after she's gone, just like they wish they had spent time with my father before he passed... it is what it is.

Sorry so long winded, but hopefully I helped in some way.
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 Posted 10/29/2021  6:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldfordman to your friends list
Nothing here sounds good. The copys are worth next to nothing and the littleton stuff was overgraded as others have said.
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