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1969 S Proof Kennedy Half Dollar Tripled Die - What Is This?

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 Posted 11/13/2021  08:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim0815 to your friends list
Love it! Maybe Jbuck or Attrox will chime in!
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 Posted 11/13/2021  09:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter4 to your friends list
Very awesome find! That doubling is SUPER clear.
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 Posted 11/13/2021  11:27 am  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list
I don't have a copy of the CherryPickers' Guide with half dollars in it, but surely this would be listed if it was a known die at the time of the last edition coming out. Anyone have one of those guides to check?
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 Posted 11/13/2021  12:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sheldius to your friends list
Not in the 5th Edition CPicker's. They only list a 1968 S and 1970 S.
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 Posted 11/13/2021  12:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list
Nice.
I don't see this date in my fifth edition of the CPG.
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 Posted 11/13/2021  12:23 pm  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list
Goodness. I really can't believe there is something this strong still floating around waiting to be discovered. I'll crack it out this afternoon and post a full image set.
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 Posted 11/13/2021  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Willburton to your friends list
Very nice. I think you may have an early die state DDO-002. I've been out of town and as long as this delay doesn't last all night, I've got a bomber coming this afternoon myself!

The mm position will tell but it seems right to me.

http://varietyvista.com/12%20Kenned...9SDDO002.htm


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11/13/2021 12:45 pm
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 Posted 11/13/2021  1:16 pm  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list
Interesting. That die does look like it's got some tripling in there, but VV lists that example as Stage A. Either they can't age proof dies correctly or it's not an earlier die state.
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 Posted 11/13/2021  1:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Willburton to your friends list
Yea I think you have a real stage A. What's the grade on the slab? DCAM?

And on another note if they're stage A coin wasn't DCAM then why call it stage A. Maybe it's the only example they have so obviously stage A.
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 Posted 11/13/2021  1:31 pm  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list
It's in an old proof set, so no grade involved.
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 Posted 11/13/2021  2:28 pm  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list
Photos of most of the important bits.


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 Posted 11/14/2021  07:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Willburton to your friends list
Great pictures
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 Posted 11/14/2021  10:18 am  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list
Thanks Will. Any additional thoughts on whether or not this may be a listed die? I didn't see the notch on the D of GOD on DDO-002, and several serifs look stronger on this one that that one as well. Thinking I may just add this to the pile of things to run by CONECA whenever I get back to that end of things.
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 Posted 11/17/2021  5:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add atrox001 to your friends list
I don't think your half would attribute as CONECA listed 69S DDO-001 or DDO-002, they both have the RDV-003 (straight G), yours, in your photo, looks like it has the RDV-002 (flared G). Have you considered you half could be an example of the Master Die, 69S MDO-001?
In the CONECA listings for the 69D MDO-001 (D, S) Wiles shows RDV-002 and RDV-003. For the 69S MDO-001 (D, S) he only shows RDV-003. In his Kennedy half dollar Book for the reverse description he said, A few of the old design reverse dies were available and used for a small percentage of the mintage. Could your 69S DDO have come from one of those dies?
Attached are copies of what I just referenced and photos of a 69D MDO-001 later die state, from my collection. I have not seen a MDO example of a 69S.


1969-D MDO-001 Designation: MD-1-O-II-C (3) (D, S)
Description: Medium spread on LI, with notched corners on I of LIBERTY and IN GOD, and light triple on earlier hub states of WE TRUST, 69 of date, hair under R and Y of LIBERTY
Grade: MS65
Population: 1
Markers: Obverse is ODV-002a (MDO)
Strength of doubling will vary depending upon hub and die state
UVC-143 DMR-001 Reverse is RDV-002 (Flared G)
UVC-144 DMR-002 Reverse is RDV-003 (Straight G)
Reported by: Ed Raser


1969-S MDO-001 Designation: MD-1-O-II-C (3) (D, S)
Description: Medium spread on LI, with notched corners on I of LIBERTY and IN GOD, and light triple on earlier hub states of WE TRUST, 69 of date, hair under R and Y of LIBERTY
Grade: PR65
Population: 1
Markers: Obverse is ODV-002a
Strength of doubling will vary depending upon hub and die state
UVC-149 DMR-001 Reverse is RDV-003 (Straight G)
Reported by: Ed Raser





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 Posted 11/17/2021  7:17 pm  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list
Okay, I'm digesting that. The images you provided look very, very much like my coin. So it would seem that an MDO is the likely culprit here. Since this is known on 1969-S proof coins, I see no reason why it would not also occur on both reverses. Thinking you've got this one figured out, which would be great as I like things to get figured out. But could be a new obv/rev so maybe still at least a little important of a find. What a strong MDO!

Thank you atrox001!!! That is some keen research and reporting you did here and it is really very much appreciated. Thanks again.
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