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Is This Toning Natural? (1890 Morgan Dollar)

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 Posted 12/03/2021  07:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list
Yes, I do see evidence of past cleaning. Would like to see straight-on/vertical photos taken under soft lighting to better assess the toning matter.
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 Posted 12/03/2021  08:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MisterT to your friends list
The marks in the field behind the head look like tooling marks to hide something. Also note the numerous pimples there and on the reverse as well. That is a red flag for me to require further testing. What does this coin weigh? Have you tried a tissue test or ice cube test?
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 Posted 12/03/2021  08:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
I forget how the ice cube test is done,would you refresh my memory please?
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 Posted 12/03/2021  08:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list
The ice cube test? Well, if done at home, begin by placing water (in a suitable container) into your fridge freezer...
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 Posted 12/03/2021  08:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MisterT to your friends list
Nothing super scientific about the ice cube test. Since silver is a great conductor of heat energy, an ice cube placed upon its surface should start to melt immediately. Just note how much more quickly ice melts on a genuine silver coin compared to one that isn't.
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 Posted 12/03/2021  08:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Could you give us the weight of the coin, please.
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 Posted 12/03/2021  08:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list
The icecube test was the first test I ever tried for silver. It was a silver spoon I had laying around and almost immediately started to melt into the ice cube. I still have it laying around somewhere. No idea where I got it or when.
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 Posted 12/03/2021  09:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Keith67 to your friends list

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Could you give us the weight of the coin, please.

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 Posted 12/03/2021  10:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list
I say Natural Toning. Obverse may have had a small wipe, but the reverse looks original.
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 Posted 12/05/2021  07:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pristine2 to your friends list
If by "natural", you mean that the toning arose without the direct intervention of a human being, whether accidental or deliberate (ie, seeking to elicit a particular change on the surface of the coin), such that a competent TPG would give it a straight grade, I'd have to give this answer: probably not. The colors seem a bit heavy on the sort of greens & blacks one sees a few years after low-ph sulfonate detergent remnants & partially dissolved oils have a chance to adhere and solidify on silver, like the tarnish on silverware that had been hastily cleaned then tucked away.

(There's also a bare hint of iron rust with that cupric green. Maybe it's nothing, but you should confirm that the coin is actually genuine and made of silver, and doesn't contain the iron found in Chinese fakes.)

Assuming the coin is genuine, I'm pretty sure it would elicit a "cleaned" grade, once it was looked at it under a microscope and swabbed for residue. (Of course, I'm just looking at a photo. I'm also really f&*!ing old, and my IQ is apparently dropping by one or two points a month.)

If by "natural" you mean that the surface of the coin changed spontaneously, with no anomalous environmental input, then no, it *definitely* isn't natural. Something accrued onto the surface of this coin that is gradually reacting with oxygen, silver, and the oils & proteins found in fingerprints. That "something" could be an alkylbenzene from a detergent, or a variety of weak acids that slowly leach from paper & cardboard, including those used to make things like envelopes, boxes and even coin albums.
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 Posted 12/08/2021  1:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add siro to your friends list
Looks original and pretty tone.
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 Posted 12/08/2021  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list
Colorful toning on lightly-circulated coins often develops after chemical cleaning (dipping). It's not usually a positive attribute. Attractive toning on original uncirculated silver coins, however, can add significantly to their value.

I agree this coin looks a little suspicious. The D and A in DOLLAR seem malformed and the overall color is typical of non-silver counterfeits. I'd first check weight (should be close to 26.7 grams) and see it it's attracted to a magnet. Even if it checks out as genuine it would have a common-date value, perhaps $35 or so.
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The coin appears to be a counterfeit piece. At least in these images it does.
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 Posted 12/08/2021  7:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Do we have the weight yet?
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 Posted 12/09/2021  10:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NDBirdman to your friends list
I'm with BH1964.... this coin screams fake to me.
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