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Lincoln Cents - 1909 To 1940 - How To Complete

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 Posted 01/28/2009  12:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Elimist to your friends list

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FYI, wheats are not out of circulation.

I think they are around 1 per 300 or so.


For some reason I just couldn't leave this statement alone. Although I agree wheat cents are not entirely driven out of circulation, like silver quarters and dimes are, I think one in three hundred cents being a wheatie is a little off. I would say its more like 1 in every 1500 cents is a wheatie. I base this on the roll searcher reports here. If there was a wheatie in every batch of 300 cents, the roll searchers would be finding 16 wheats per a box. Usually they report three to four wheats per a box leaving me with an estimate of 1 in every 1500.

I think its funny how the lincoln cents are commonly promoted as a great 'starter' set and how its fun to collect for little kids and so on and so forth. But the sad thing is that the set will more than likely never be complete due to the amount of time and money it takes to complete a lincoln set.

But don't get me wrong, I had my fair share of fun looking through grandma's wheaties.
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 Posted 01/28/2009  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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I think its funny how the lincoln cents are commonly promoted as a great 'starter' set and how its fun to collect for little kids and so on and so forth. But the sad thing is that the set will more than likely never be complete due to the amount of time and money it takes to complete a lincoln set.

Personally I think the Lincolns are a terrible set for a newbie, especially a youngster to start with. Sure you can roll search and get the memorials without too much trouble, although the circulation S mints may be a small challenge, but then what? The obvious desire would then be to try and go back and chase the rest of the Lincolns and he then finds it impossible to do from circulation or even roll searching. Sure they can go to a dealer and get the 41 - 58 cents pretty easily but then they are stuck. Sure they can buy a bunch of the common 09 - 40 cents but they will quickly realize that they will never be able to complete the set.

A much better starting collection are the Jefferson nickels. Back to 1960 are pretty easy from circulation and roll searching will allow you to eventually get most of the entire series for face value. And if they do have to buy coins they can't find they are ALL affordable (Unless you insist on MS-65 or full step coins) Roosevelt dimes are a good choice, except the clads will be too easy and all of the pre clad coins will have to be purchased, but at least the pre-clads are cheap and they are silver.
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 Posted 01/28/2009  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okie-colin to your friends list
What Conder said! How is a kid going to afford the Lincoln keys?
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 Posted 01/28/2009  1:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sfwusc to your friends list
well over at coin roll hunting at treasure net... they get a lot better than 4-5 a box. I get around 8-10 when I roll search. So 2500/8 is around 333 or 2500/10 is around 250. I mean you can't take one person from one area and make it the "average". Also, box of cents are just 2500 not 5000 coins, so you math of one per 1500 would be like 1.5 a box.

http://www.cheapgreenandhappy.blogspot.com/ has a 0.63% wheat (that is one per 158 cents) % over 1.1 million cents searched. (I am assuming you haven't search 1.1 million cents and tracked the results) I think that is a little more useful than one person searching a box and finding just 3-4 than making it the normal for everyone. Yet his silver dime % is .1% or almost 1 per 1000 with quarters being 1 per 5000.

There are people over there that are pretty much down to like handful of missing cents just from roll searching. I grant you that they search a lot of cents, but it is possible to get an almost complete set from change.

I do agree though that Jefferson nickel and FDR dimes are better sets to start with if finishing it cheaply is the goal.

-SWUSC
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 Posted 01/28/2009  3:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KenKat to your friends list
I think SWUSC hit on the difference of opinion here:

I bet I have only gotten a wheat in change a few times in my life, but I get 8-10 wheats per box.

I think a lot of cashiers pull wheats for their kids and grandkids...it only cost them a penny to pull it out... so if they aren't busy and notice it... you dont get it.


I could see if you had rolls or boxes of pennies that they'd be one step removed from someone grabbing them out - so the percentage would be higher.

And I gotta admire those guys that go through all those pennies hoping for some of those teens D and S mints. That's a penny loving collector!

Wheat pennies are tough to collect because they are so easy to recognize and everyone grabs them - as opposed to the Jefferson nickels which haven't changed since 1938 until recently.

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 Posted 01/28/2009  3:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KenKat to your friends list
Which leads to my next post. I think if you want to collect pre-1941 Lincolns, it sounds like the options are:

1) Go through a bazillion rolls or boxes
2) Buy 'em

I bought a few rolls of wheats at the local dealer for $2 a roll to try that out but only found 3 coins I needed out of that batch - two common 1930's and a 1917-S. So, I don't think the roll route is for me.

I had been watching collections of 09-40 wheats on ebay for a few weeks. I had bought a nice collection of 41-59 in a really nice Whitman folder for under $10 a few months ago and combined with what I have ended up with a complete folder of 41-74 cents with lots of red and red-brown ones.

So, I just bought a 09-40 collection on ebay - 78 of the 89 coins. Paid a little under $50 with shipping. I estimated the coins are worth a little over $100 in G4 condition and am sure some of these are nicer. Again, my goal was to fill out the album as far as I could - maybe get 85 of the 89.

So, I am going to merge these 78 in with the ones I have and maybe will also build out a second partial 09-40 set and a partial 41-59 set and sell them to recoup some $$$. Or keep 'em - I have a hard time parting with coins once I own them.

Then, I can go the coin show and local dealer route to fill out some of the tougher slots that will remain - for example 1910-S.

The 1909-S VDB is gonna have to wait...

Ken


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 Posted 01/28/2009  4:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okie-colin to your friends list
Ken, sounds to me like you took the quickest and most economical route to completing a set. Eventually you will just have to have the 1909-S VDB. I waited a long time and than plunked down the money to complete mine with a 1914-D and the 1909-S VDB. If I don't sell my six rolls on ebay I will get another folder and use them to start another set. It would be two thirds complete I think.
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 Posted 01/28/2009  5:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sfwusc to your friends list
There is a difference between wheats from 1940-1958 and 1909-1939 The post 1940 are way easier to find (well not the steel ones). I would say the pre 1940 are maybe 1 per box or 2 per 3 boxes or something like that.

I have all the common's, but the best way to do it from a start is buy a few rolls from ebay or a dealer and a $50.00 wheat bag on ebay.

You sort by date pull the best ones of each date/mint mark, then re bag 5000 wheat and resell them. I doubt you get a lot of semi keys or keys :), but at least you are getting at least decent XF (hopefully) of all the commons. It will limit the need to upgrade later on.

I found my 1909 that is in my dansco out of a roll (that box also had a 1900 cent too).

The 1954 P wheat is a beast to find in the wild too, but I think I found all the post 40s in the wild expect the 1943s.

-SWUSC
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 Posted 01/28/2009  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bibd to your friends list
Good luck with your 09-40 album. I'd proceed slowly; wait for finding a good steal rather than getting ripped off. Maybe try a 5000 Wheat cent bag (but be careful who you buy from).

By the way, I search rolls in Canada. I get 3-4 wheats per $25 box, despite them coming from a different country! My oldest roll find so far is 1925-S.
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 Posted 01/29/2009  09:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add afernbaugh to your friends list
I built my Lincoln wheat set very late in my collecting life. My early collecting was all silver coinage because(I believe)I lived through the era of the removal of silver from business strike issues.
I bought the keys first; 09 S VDB, 09 S, 14 D and the 31 S. Then I began buying partial sets; they usually were missing 7 to 12 coins, but some had semi keys included. I bought about 5 sets in all and cherry picked the best coins into a set number "one". I then reassembeled 2 sets and sold them as starters; the remaining cull coins were sold in small lots or individually. I recovered about 70 percent of the cost of the partial sets; it seems that the value in the market place for the "whole" is less than the sum of the "parts".
The last and still ongoing step is to upgrade individual coins according to your goals for consistent grades or appearance.
This my not appeal to everyone but it was fun, much less expensive and certainly less time consuming than other methods.
Regards,
afernbaugh
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 Posted 01/29/2009  1:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Elimist to your friends list
Oh wow, yeah my numbers where all off on my Wheat cent count. I omit my previous comments.
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 Posted 01/29/2009  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KenKat to your friends list
Well, I received my set tonight in the mail and overall, I have to say I am pleased. I upgraded many of the coins I already had and now have a set of 79/89 09-40 Lincolns.

Some of the better dates I got in this set - 1909 VDB, 1911-D, 1912-D, 1912-S and 1922-D.

Okie, you may be right about that 1909-S VDB although I can't see pressing a $1000 coin into an album with my thumb! But I am already plotting on how to fill the teens D and S slots that are currently open.

Ken
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 Posted 01/30/2009  12:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add manila galleon trade to your friends list

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I bought the keys first; 09 S VDB, 09 S, 14 D and the 31 S.


Most of the collectors start without money to start with keydates. I hope I could have done it that way when I was small and keydates were a lot cheaper.
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 Posted 04/19/2009  7:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinhopper to your friends list
If you have small local auctions, give them a try.. Sometimes they are auctioning a whole house full of stuff and odd coins go cheap.
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 Posted 04/29/2009  07:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add grime5 to your friends list
i find on the average 10 wheats per every 50.00 bag I go through. later greg
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