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1886 Indian Head - Type II - This Is A Tough One!

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 Posted 01/18/2022  10:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list
Toning vs Wear can be difficult to differentiate. I'll get the ball rolling and call it wear, AU-58.
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 Posted 01/18/2022  11:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
All diamonds gone. Liberty bold but not sharp. I'll say VF-35, possibly EF-40 sharpness, but a details coin - cleaned.
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 Posted 01/18/2022  11:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list
I think the color can be original. This just has a very weak strike.
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 Posted 01/18/2022  2:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list
I'll blame the mushy/lack of details on some heavily worn dies. Color looks like it could be original. Can't tell if there is slight wear on the high points. I might be way off with AU58/MS62 and some tired dies. Interesting one.
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 Posted 01/19/2022  09:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RedRaider to your friends list
Okay.....I knew this one would be tough!

I personally grade this MS60RB. I can't go higher due to the unusually worn dies, but there are no marks to speak of. It definitely looks to be uncirculated though. The coin is much more red in hand and has the luster typically seen on mushy strikes.

This coin represents the most worn dies I have seen on anything I have in my collection. Kind of interesting.
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 Posted 01/19/2022  09:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Looking at this on a large screen, you guys may be right. This weak a strike is certainly a first for me.
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 Posted 01/19/2022  09:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RedRaider to your friends list
It was a first for me too. I have never seen such a mushy Indian Head cent. I have a 1857 FE that is similar, but not this noticeable.

I don't know how a TPG would handle this coin. One quick glance and they put a EF details on it. A deeper look and it could go MS. Also, the top feather tips look like the dies were rusty. All kinds of issues going on here.
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 Posted 01/19/2022  09:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jakes Coins to your friends list
I would guess au-53
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 Posted 01/19/2022  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
if color is correct MS62RB weak strike or worn dies. I think its the later
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 Posted 01/30/2022  2:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
Looks like strike issues to me. MS-62RB.
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 Posted 01/30/2022  2:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Keith67 to your friends list
Im in camp AU-58
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 Posted 04/07/2022  09:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RedRaider to your friends list
Well NGC posted some grades yesterday and this got an MS63RB, probably overgraded. Its a peculiar coin, one that is maybe deserving of the elusive MS60RB grade.
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 Posted 04/07/2022  09:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Most unusual Indian for sure. Not sure I'd want to pay 63 money for it, but it's a kind of rarity in its own right.
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 Posted 04/07/2022  10:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list
I agree to MDS-LDS . In my opinion not cleaned not retoned . AU-58 to MS-62 .
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 Posted 04/07/2022  10:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list
MS60 would seem like a pretty nicked up coin on the surfaces. That doesn't seem to be what this coin is. Good surfaces with a combination of weak strike and eroded dies.
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