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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks for taking the time. The barcode number is the same, but it is a different barcode pattern to the earlier auctioned one without the spots. If it went in for conservation, it is the wrong way round because there are spots on it now but not on the earlier heritage sale many years ago. I'm going to have to leave this one alone, but maybe there's a small chance that someone is going to get a bargain.
EDIT: I scanned the QR code on the reverse of the photo with the PCGS scanner and it linked me to the correct coin. I've asked for more photos and for any provenance.
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02/11/2022 4:03 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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New photos just sent from seller.   |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3848 Posts |
Completely different coin from the first set of photos to the last two. Look at the location of the spokes on the PCGS holder that hold the coin in place.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
1273 Posts |
I can see that thanks, so why does the PCGS app scan both barcodes (which are different patterns but the same number) as the same coin? ( I covered the numbers so it definitely scanned the patterns. This looks to be the same coin resubmitted for some reason but with perhaps added cheek scuffs and the same grade? I'm baffled.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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In the US this Morgan is readily available in PCGS slabs up to MS-66 grade. Because of these troubling inconsistencies I'd pass on the offered coin and shop elsewhere.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Rest in Peace
United States
10625 Posts |
I would ask PCGS if two different barcodes can scan to the same label number.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
1273 Posts |
I have decided to show everyone the grade early. MS67. It sold yesterday for £1000. PCGS price guide has it at $9000, and when I typed the number in to PCGS it brought the last sale up from Heritage for the same slabbed coin in 2014, link below. It fetched $13000! However, like I earlier commented, the barcode has a different pattern to the one at heritage as you can see for yourselves. I was very tempted to make a bid, as £1000 seemed low for this coin, but why the different barcode? Why the different positioning in its spokes? It was either a con or it had been resubmitted. I can't see why it would have been resubmitted, why would you ever resubmit a 67, to get a 67+ ? It isn't worth the risk. So, it is my opinion that the buyer either got an amazing deal at £1000, or something is not right here. Does anyone know the truth behind this mystery? Also, when I used the PCGS to scan BOTH barcodes (with hand held over numbers) they both authenticated as the same coin with the heritage sale in 2014. This is the link to the heritage auction in 2014 where the coin fetched $13000: https://coins.ha.com/itm/morgan-dol...ot=1&x=0&y=0Here are the seller's photos:   Here are the old 2014 heritage photos, if you sign in on the website you can zoom in and see them in high quality.   |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The sellers photos are pretty bad, but those are definitely two different coins IMO
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Rest in Peace
United States
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It looks like the back of the label is a newer style than the Heritage sale version. Resubmitted for what ever reason?
I gotta say that auction house left money on the table with those images.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I ran a barcodes reader on the seller example and the Heritage example. The following are the results:
Heritage coin, 22 digit cert #, 0000072800067025357009
Seller coin, 16 digit cert #, 0072806725357009
I also ran another PCGS Morgan with the same type/year of the seller's holder. The PCGS barcode reads a 22 digit cert number. PCGS changed the barcode style from a 16 digits to 22 digits in 2010. The holder style of the seller's coin should be a 22 digit barcode.
The seller's holder is a fake. The barcode is wrong, the coin does not look MS67 and does not match the Heritage example.
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02/12/2022 6:05 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1048 Posts |
It's a fake. Report the seller to ebay at your earliest opportunity. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4471 Posts |
The counterfeiter for the seller's coin is using the old 16 digit barcode.
Effective March 25, 2010 PCGS changed from a 16 digit to a 22 digit barcode system. Below is the layout for the barcode:
16 digit old format:
1-6 Coin/spec number
7-8 Grade
9-16 Certification number
22 digit New format:
1 Contains Gold Shield NFC Chip Technology
2-3 Reserved for future use
4-9 Coin/spec number
10 Service identifier
11 Grade detail
12-13 Grade
14 Grade modifier
15-22 Certification number
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Yup, nevermind, certainly a totally different coin, but sellers pics are horrible.
Reputable seller?
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
1273 Posts |
Not reputable. Had a few negatives non related to coins, said he had inherited these and knew nothing about coins. Very glad I didn't bid. |
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