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1960-D/D 10c RPM FS-501

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 Posted 05/26/2022  2:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SoundBeing to your friends list
Coop, you are an incredible talent, my friend.
Here's what I came up with, and you're right, that dot on the end does not exist on my coin.


1960-D/D-10c-RPM-FS-501
1960-D/D-10c-RPM-FS-501

If a mint mark can be the only thing on the coin that is showing doubling, then sure, it very likely is MD. I hope it is not. It's like 2 D's on top of one another only the one behind is slightly lower and to the right. Both seem pretty chunky and the whole mark is overall very full and out of place looking.
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 Posted 05/26/2022  3:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SoundBeing to your friends list
I guess this is the most likely if it is not just MD.
http://varietyvista.com/07%20Roosev...0DRPM002.htm
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 Posted 05/27/2022  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
What is that dot on the east side of the mintmark? That is the first punch of the process that the worker felt was too close of the design or the second punch was the final area to be punched. On the FS-501 that is part of one of the punching. The location is the second location. So this is an example of a RPM. So with out that mark on the east side of the mintmark, it is not that die number. The central area of the RPM has worn off the die, or was polished off. That is what we see on the inside of the inset image, but don't see on the other images. The East area is seen on the examples of that die. Also the location of the mintmark is also key. If it is not in the correct location, it is not RPM number or is a normal coin.

CoopHome: What must be present to be a RPM that is legit?
See images above on this thread to see the discussion point.
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05/27/2022 7:36 pm
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 Posted 05/28/2022  10:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SoundBeing to your friends list
@Coop

I purchased a USB microscope. Here's the best image yet. Thanks for your help and insight.
Shouldn't there be others like this? Like, millions of them?

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 Posted 05/28/2022  11:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SoundBeing to your friends list
Or is it that maybe this is damage where the D was struck and slid after the coin was struck? Def looks like MD this close.
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 Posted 05/29/2022  6:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Most areas are coin damage. It may have been altered. If so, it might be a silver melt coin now.
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 Posted 05/31/2022  01:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SoundBeing to your friends list
I don't think it would have been altered. It's been sealed in a Mint Set. It's actually a really nice coin overall.
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 Posted 05/31/2022  1:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
They get altered there also:
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 Posted 06/02/2022  02:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SoundBeing to your friends list
I've seen you mention these types of markings before. In those cases, does that add a premium? Or is that considered damage as well?
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 Posted 06/02/2022  07:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list
The USB microscope picture shows perfectly that this is Machine Doubling. Note the flat, shelf-like doubled region and the way the width of the device is reduced by the doubling rather than widened. As for your question about whether or not only the mint mark can show doubling, the answer is yes for coins minted 1989 and earlier, since mint marks were added separately by hand. That's exactly what an RPM is.
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 Posted 06/02/2022  08:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
My vote is MD.
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 Posted 06/03/2022  02:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SoundBeing to your friends list
I think it took a hit. The top and left of the mark are fat and normal, then the lower section is all bunched up and slid toward the center. The full outline is a normal punch, and then there was a strike that squished the bottom up into the middle. That's what it looks like to me.


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 Posted 06/03/2022  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
On some mintmarks that get hit like your coin, the mintmark is taller than normal. So when the MD did a higher bounce, it missed the other devices, but the whole brunt was on the mintmark area. Thus why that is distorted on your coin. A high bounce of Machine Doubling flew over head of the other devices. How do I know that is the case? (Sherlock revealing a secret) Note the fine lines on that affected area? Those are striation lines. We see these when a sharp edge of the die affects an area on the coin. It is like the forensics of a knife blade used in determining an autopsy. These are seen on Machine Doubling lines. I call them striation lines. When I see this, I feel this is not a coin contact issue, but a die sliding issue. Other examples below.
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On the last image you posted, it was the first case of full brunt contact of MD on a single device. Note how much stronger it is from the examples of full devices striation. Thanks for post that. Now I can keep on the watch for more of this happening. Not a premium for it, but more like the last piece I needed for my puzzle. Another coop secret revealed.

CoopHome: What is a striation line and what causes it? Why is this important? (coop secret revealed, another sign of Machine Doubling happening
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 Posted 06/03/2022  1:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Your image added to my educational library:
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 Posted 06/04/2022  02:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SoundBeing to your friends list
Coop, as always, your in-depth analysis is fantastic. My question this time around is, why wouldn't there be these striation lines on other parts of the coin. If the die is sliding, wouldn't there be other indications somewhere else? More specifically, in the bottom of the torch area or the lettering on the reverse?

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