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1988 Lincoln Cent. Possible Die Break?

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 Posted 11/14/2022  10:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oddguy to your friends list
Very nice find
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 Posted 11/14/2022  12:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KyWahine to your friends list
I wasn't thinking it could be a Cud. Of course, I'm new at this, and my terminology could be all mixed up. Anyway, it looks to me like an overlay sheet that could be peeled off, and the "fold" extends down into Lincoln's face. That is why I was thinking this as being a die issue. And the "spiked head" is pretty cool, too. I was focusing so much on the other that I didn't even notice that die "event." It is so faint that it disappears on other angled pics. (That is 2 spiked heads in a month...)

Can a Cud be flat like that?
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Don't mind me, I got me a new toy (a Tomlov scope), and I am still trying to figure it out. The negative picture is pretty cool.
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 Posted 11/14/2022  3:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cujohn to your friends list
A Cud is a die crack that starts out at the rim and goes back to the rim. That piece of the die has broken completely off. There won't be any design or letters in the Cud. Nice spike head.
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 Posted 11/14/2022  4:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KyWahine to your friends list
Thank you all for your comments and links. I'm so happy I found something pretty nifty.
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 Posted 11/14/2022  9:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list
Interesting die crack
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 Posted 11/15/2022  03:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
What is the definition between a die break and a die crack?Is there one?
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 Posted 11/15/2022  07:34 am  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list
After reading both definitions, the simplest difference, is loss or no loss of metal from the die. A crack is just a fissure in the die but no loss of metal and a break is when the die actually loses some amount of metal, that falls from the die.

Both definitions are in this link from LCF, just scroll down to each.
http://www.lincolncentforum.com/ter...logy-list-d/
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 Posted 11/15/2022  09:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
In my mind,I know I know...a die crack is a die that cracks leaving a raised line and a die break is where a crack runs from rim to rim breaking the die in two pieces.Am I way off or not?
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The crack is just a fissure in the die, imagine a canyon. When the coin is struck, you get the opposite, a raised area. A break does not have anything to do with the rim but the rim can be involved. A break is when a piece of the die actually falls out or at least becomes separated from the die. When this die is struck, it fills the coin in with metal and is also raised. It's as simple as part of the die not falling out or falling out. An exception to this is an RIDB, where the piece of die has separated but stays in place during the strike.
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 Posted 11/15/2022  09:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
Thanks for the info.Did a little research,shattered die is what I was thinking of with the die breaking in two:https://www.error-ref.com/?s=shattered+die
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 Posted 11/16/2022  8:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KyWahine to your friends list
So this 1988 Lincoln Cent is an example of a die crack?
I have another coin (1940 S Wheat cent) where the die event goes from rim to rim. Would this be a die break?

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 Posted 11/16/2022  9:45 pm  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list
No, not a die break. That is a pre-cud. Look through the link and you might find a listing that matches yours. You should start a new thread with a different coin.

LINK http://cuds-on-coins.com/lincoln-ce...-cuds-1940s/
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 Posted 11/20/2022  10:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KyWahine to your friends list
Cool. Thanks for the link. It's good to find something that has a history. I will post this coin on a new thread.
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