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Thanks for bringing this back to the top, man and the extra info on the coins per minute.  So no answer back from Silvio, HGK3 or Dearborn. Thanks for getting back with me, Rob! Now I won't sleep tonight!  -makecents-
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oops, got busy with house and yard work.. I forgot about this topic.. (even though I had plenty of time for other topics... lol)
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It's fantastic, that you ask the questions you do though, Dearborn, not many do. I feel you are a kindred spirit, not worried about what others think. Yeah well, when I see something that doesn't add up or make sense to me I need to ask. Quite a few time, I think I made a fool of myself - but oh well - the sun still came back up the next night..(or was that the Moon?  ) Anyway, back on topic. The three pictures I re-posted with the blue encirclements (a military term) are on 3 different coins and then on the came 3 different coins there are die gouges in different locations under EPU. So 'I'm guessing that my encirclements were on a master die and got re-engraved to working dies (a few of them) THEN, then the different working dies each got gouged in some way then put to work making coins. Am I even remotely correct here? EDIT: I forgot about working hubs - I'm sure they fit into this equation somewhere (I hope you can sleep now Makecents.) Or are you now wide awake? Edited by Dearborn
01/08/2023 9:10 pm
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Thanks, Dearborn. You were pretty close to my theory. No master die though, just a working hub, otherwise, pretty spot on. I will sleep well, because I already know the other answers, without HGK3 and Silvio. Just wanted to make sure you and Rob were good. As always, thanks for your help. -makecents-
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Thank you for your service, Dearborn.
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OK, I was busy,. DEAR has a good point, PETE say 720 coins a minute, I do not say no, 30 more or less no importance (somebody told me that now are 8 dies?). Is clear that you has different Dies. Why same , relative place? !! ? for me seem to be the ways the forces go. I do not see here other thing for the blue circles then the repercussion's of the strike forces orientation. Basic was see on other denominations and years.
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 . Thanks again for everyone's input. I have one more question (maybe) a couple more. If those are considered markers. Was there three different dies used? If so or not. Would each coin have its on listing number? (If) another one is found with or without those same ( markers) on it. What would that mean? Just wondering.  Edited by RobO411
01/09/2023 07:58 am
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@ HGK3: Please look at the video not the text. In the video you see that the CNC made incuse which it is not Hub. The text was from before, the webs employees change the numbers more then the text. They has no clue about production. Thanks. Sil, I did look at the video and stand by what I said. The still picture taken from the video shows a hub being milled as the words "United States of America" are visible and readable. If this was a die the words would be in reverse. The link also contains a photo of a working die that shows the words in reverse for reference. I don't want to hijack the OP's thread with a discussion of Mint die making techniques, but if you've got something that confirms, in writing, that they are CNC'ing all the working dies directly I'd love to see it because that flies in the face of everything I understand about the single squeeze method currently in use. |
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@HGK3 ( and ) others. Don't worry about hijacking the thread. It's very interesting and it's still around about the same subject. No worries here! |
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Yeah, 'hijacking' a topic would be taking control and re-directing the conservation to something else entirely. So! How was everyone's weekend? |
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Rob, maybe this visual will help. Little rough around the edges but should get the point across. There are a lot more working hubs and working dies than what I put on here but maybe good enough for you to understand and there could be hundreds of thousands of coins that have your doubling, if my theory is right.  -makecents-
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Thanks Jon for all that, it (makecents). Would you say. Sense there's not any 2020D DDR's listed like these is because back then everyone didn't think that they were DDR's? Sense 2020 I've come across 6 of them. Maybe more will start showing up. For the 2021D I myself probably have 200+ with 16 different combination ones. From just one vertical affected all the way up to five. |
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Rob, in a nutshell, I don't think many are looking at this type of doubling.
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So what you are saying is that my Blue encircled marks were on the working hub - then these were transferred to the working dies - and each working die each got their own markers, which is why we see both the same and different markers on these coins.
Which means we (in theory) could trace our way back the the working die number then even further back to the working hub that made the dies...
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01/09/2023 9:30 pm
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So what you are saying is that my Blue encircled marks were on the working hub - then these were transferred to the working dies - and each working die each got their own markers, which is why we see both the same and different markers on these coins.
Which means we (in theory) could trace our way back the the working die number then even further back to the working hub that made the dies... Yup. That's how doubled working hubs work, supposedly, until the Coin World comes up with something else. Which could happen and then we'll change gears. That's the world and how we deal with it.... -makecents-
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Posted 01/08/2023 8:47 pm
Uncirculated American Silver Eagles 
