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1963 Philly Penny Mint Error?

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 Posted 01/13/2023  09:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list
Interesting. I've had similar toning/staining/other show on uncirculated and proof sets packaged by the US mint. Not often, but not unknown. This is one of the more extreme instances. I find the reverse curious as well.
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 Posted 01/13/2023  09:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amjohnsonaz to your friends list
Hi thanks for the welcome guys. I did search quite a bit for planchet errors, UFO, and annealing errors. I can't find anything like it. I've never submitted a penny. if it wasn't sealed I'd just throw it in a closet somewhere, so I'd guess it's the seal that's tempting me.
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 Posted 01/13/2023  10:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amjohnsonaz to your friends list
Hi ijn,

Thanks. From your experience do you think it could be worth grading as a mint error, or is it just a random occurrence?
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 Posted 01/13/2023  8:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list
It is possible that the entire pack was under or covered by something with a straight edge (sheet of paper or something) and the left half of the cent was exposed to light and started toning while the covered portions were protected.
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 Posted 01/13/2023  8:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list
Personally, I would submit the coin for grading--but do keep it as a fun curiosity.
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 Posted 01/13/2023  10:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amjohnsonaz to your friends list
Thanks ijn I think I will do just that.Dearborn I have considered pressure, and light. A local dealer had suggested it, and I'm not saying it isn't possible because I bought it at an auction. So I honestly have no idea of the storage history to exclude PMD PSD.
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01/13/2023 10:57 pm
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 Posted 01/14/2023  7:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list
I agree with Dearborn, it looks like a sunlight issue.
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 Posted 01/15/2023  3:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amjohnsonaz to your friends list
merclover,

It could definitely be PSD from light but it would almost have to have occurred before it went in the bag right? I mean the copper couldn't just disappear? The other thing is that the missing copper lines don't line up anywhere front/back/sides. I also think we'd see a lot of check out this penny I left in my car change coming out of Arizona/California?
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 Posted 01/15/2023  3:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list
I think that there is no 'missing' copper, just toned darker (the left side, the 'Liberty side - the right side, the date side still has the red mint color and luster. On the reverse the cent had sat on top of another coin mostly protecting it.
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 Posted 01/15/2023  4:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
The reverse is funny. Between the left corner and U in United it is a line (incuse or rise?) and also under cent who go to the rim. I made the lines and seem to be a perfect circle. The question is not the tarnish, it is those lines I mention are Rise or incuse or just tarnish?
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 Posted 01/16/2023  12:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amjohnsonaz to your friends list
I am not much of a Penny expert, so please forgive me. There is evidence of tarnish. I think silviosi knows what I'm saying though. Those lines make the copper maybe 100μm higher (complete guess).

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 Posted 01/16/2023  12:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
The cello can have a slice in it and alter the color. I found one like that, but it has all turned that color:
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So something altered the coin in the cello.
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 Posted 01/16/2023  7:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cujohn to your friends list
to the CCF nice toning. Would have been really nice if the whole coin was that color.
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 Posted 01/17/2023  07:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amjohnsonaz to your friends list
Coop those are really beautiful coins. There's no hole in the bag. I think it would have to be that the tarnish is higher than the copper and it's the angle I was looking at it because of the bag.
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01/17/2023 07:17 am
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