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Morgan Question With 1878 S .

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 Posted 01/17/2023  02:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roma2021 to your friends list
Here's a link to a thread with the types of painful fakes I see all around rome . . . http://goccf.com/t/418474
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 Posted 01/17/2023  09:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
this looks legit. i'll go with AU55. it looks a little dull for a mid AU coin however it may have been dipped a while ago and retoned. it might grade straight.
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 Posted 01/17/2023  11:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roma2021 to your friends list
Thanks @Pan!

This coin does have polishing hairlines in the fields; most coins I find in Rome have been dipped or polished; I have found about 50-60 Morgans (and about 30 Peace) and I suspect about 10-15 haven't been cleaned; of those . . . maybe 6-8 are heavily circulated.

I'm curious what cleaned Morgans and Peace sell for in the U.S. - ones like the coin above with hairlines . . .

Thanks!
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 Posted 01/17/2023  1:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bump111 to your friends list
I was at a local show in NC over the weekend and saw circulated common-date coins selling between $30-$40. Prices are easing down in the last few months.
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 Posted 01/17/2023  1:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roma2021 to your friends list
Thanks @Bump. I imagine there are a lot of sellers right now; at least from what I hear about prices in the U.S.
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 Posted 01/17/2023  2:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list

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This coin does have polishing hairlines in the fields;


the photos do not show this
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 Posted 01/17/2023  2:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roma2021 to your friends list
@pan...thank you again... Here's the closest I can get to a photo of the hairlines... In curious how this impacts the value of a Morgan... Most aren't this polished but many are at least dipped.


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 Posted 01/17/2023  6:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumismaticsFTW to your friends list
Panzaldi-

It is very obvious this coin has issues, and the fact you cannot see that is concerning.
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 Posted 01/18/2023  05:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roma2021 to your friends list
@numis...given the issues...am I in the ballpark of reasonable at about $27.50 on these?
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It is very obvious this coin has issues, and the fact you cannot see that is concerning


i called the coin AU55 possibly cleaned because the shadows were hiding the surfaces in some of the areas. its not a harsh cleaning but the coin does look dipped. also of note is that the hairlines on the blowup photo do not crossover onto the devices. I'm not 100% convinced that they are not die polish lines. if you attempt to clean a coin its practically impossible to miss the devices and leave those kinds of marks on the field in a tight area without hitting the devices
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 Posted 01/18/2023  11:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roma2021 to your friends list
@pan.... Thank you. This is precisely why I am posting... To learn more about Morgans. The devices do not show polish lines.
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 Posted 01/18/2023  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list

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The devices do not show polish lines..


be careful with the term polish lines. there are two types. die polish lines and PMD from polishing. when you talking about die polishing lines make sure you qualify it so thats it not confusing as to intent of your statement.

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 Posted 01/19/2023  12:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roma2021 to your friends list
@pan, thanks again . . . I do not know the difference, but now I'll research and learn. Thanks!
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 Posted 01/22/2023  4:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
I think it might straight grade at AU-55.
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 Posted 01/22/2023  4:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roma2021 to your friends list
Thanks IGE...I always appreciate it. I know you aren't into ancients but I posted a few pictures from a collection I bought today elsewhere in the thread.
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