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1943-P Jefferson War Nickel Struck On Steel Cent Planchet

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 Posted 05/05/2023  6:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list

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Sorry but that's just ludicrous. There's a bazillion wrong planchet coins out there, the is absolutely no way they are all assisted which is basically what you're saying.


Bobby I respect your opinions (like is for all), visions and thinking's but it is not "ludicrous". Also they are not also "a bazillion" of those coins. Come out sporadic and no one past yet 20 in number.

I try to introduce you of the way the forensic analyze in the begin. It is not easy to do those analyzes. They are others documents (classified) which could be analyze in order to come to a conclusion or conclusions: As: what is the origin of alloy components use, The Dies stages, which presses has those marks and when was use, the Dies first stage strikes and the last stage before retire and also to see what Die (Hammer or Anvil) was use from the Dies Database No.

Thank you answer me with very sincere visions you has and probably other very rusty collectors.

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 Posted 05/05/2023  6:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list
What are you rambling about? This is a simple case of the wrong planchet maybe getting into the wrong hopper. That's it.

Rambling on about die states, anvil and hammer dies, what floors do what, number of employees, how many shifts in 1963, and classified documents is 100% ludicrous.

The wrong planchet may have gotten in the wrong hopper somehow. That's all this is. It's not some big conspiracy theory.
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 Posted 05/05/2023  7:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cujohn to your friends list
As Bobby states, these two planchets were in the mint at the same time, so it's a lot more probable than some of them that are out there.
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 Posted 05/05/2023  7:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list
Sometime few planchets get stuck in the chamber, and when production starts again, one or two stubborn finally gets loose and that's when it get through quality control, especially when QC takes a day off.
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 Posted 05/05/2023  10:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
I think this post must be close. Bobby I state was done in the Mint facility and is consider Mint Error by TPG's. I try to explain the process and is not listening.

MAC, sorry you has no knowledge about presses when you talk me about chambers.

So better this topic will be close, please Bobby. Is no conspiracy hear is data.
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 Posted 05/05/2023  11:31 pm  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list
It's generally believed that most wrong planchet errors are accidental chance events and not intentional, although there's no way to know for sure in any single case. Given the similar size and color of the nickel and the steel cent planchets, there's no reason to think this was an assisted error.
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 Posted 05/06/2023  12:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HGK3 to your friends list
I'm not saying I agree with Sil or that I even have any opinion on how the coin was created, but I think (and please correct me if I'm misstating your argument ) what he's trying to say is that because Nickels involved precious metal in 1943 they would have been made with different presses from cents and on a different floor (not sure how we get that from the charts provided, but . . .)

Since they were struck on different presses and on different floors and since precious metal surveillance/security was tight the easiest way to get a silver planchet into the area where the cent dies were kept (cue the music from the vault scene in Ocean's 11) would have been at night when the mechanical staff had much freer access to move around and much less scrutiny and supervision.

Q.E.D - This has to be an intentionally incorrect planchet error.

No guarantees, express or implied, as to the accuracy of my translation because, well . . .

(Please direct all flaming responses to the source and leave the translator out of your line of fire!)
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 Posted 05/06/2023  06:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list
I say its a way cool error. I'd enjoy finding one.
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 Posted 05/07/2023  12:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tacc to your friends list

...is also very interesting trying to understand how an "error"
like this occurs at the mint!
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 Posted 05/07/2023  3:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list
As others have said, there's no reason to think that this coin had any assistance in its production or release. There are plenty of other examples of nickels struck on steel cent planchets. Such errors simply require that a cent planchet remain behind in a tote bin or hopper, awaiting burial beneath an avalanche of nickel planchets.
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 Posted 05/07/2023  3:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list

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As others have said, there's no reason to think that this coin had any assistance in its production or release. There are plenty of other examples of nickels struck on steel cent planchets. Such errors simply require that a cent planchet remain behind in a tote bin or hopper, awaiting burial beneath an avalanche of nickel planchets.


Exactly.
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 Posted 05/07/2023  4:12 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
In the 19th century it was common for mint employees to strike special "gifts" for dealers, collectors or even themselves. The employees were paid handsomely for their efforts.
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 Posted 05/07/2023  4:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list

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I think this post must be close.


Why? Because people disagree with you?
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 Posted 05/08/2023  8:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list

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Why? Because people disagree with you?


No. Because we go back and for. Mike has a theory for, plausible? yes, but also there I question why is zinc coated , I have rim (so after milling process and zinc coating process) the planchet go to silver production.

So, are many theories which could not be elucidated because you has this error but not the pedigree.

If you, as you state before here, I am ridiculous or I say stupidities, is your opinion and I respect this. Each person has his own visions and we has to respect each others as they are and not how we personally will like.

If you find the pedigree of the coin will be much more easy. There are 16 coins as yours's around. Till then we say unconfirmed error origins as the 8 bronze penny 1943. Unclear was strike man made or on foreign planchet of 1943.



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05/08/2023 8:22 pm
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