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1864 S Seated Liberty Half Dolllar, I Wonder If This Coin Could Get A Score If Sent To NGC

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 Posted 06/01/2023  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MisterT to your friends list
I think it may be counterfeit. The S mm looks too small for that issue.
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 Posted 06/01/2023  10:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MisterT to your friends list
After looking at a genuine example, this one is absolutely bogus. Not only is the mm the wrong size, it is not even the correct orientation. It should be large and between the letters F and D of Half Dol.
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 Posted 06/01/2023  10:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wan to your friends list
Thank you! @Coinfrog @Hondo Boguss @MisterT

You gave me a unified opinion, the rating fee is indeed equivalent to one-third of the price of this coin. Alright,let me just keep it as a sample!

And thanks MisterT, I checked the types of 1864S and found three sizes of S mint mark. This one I think is normal size S, it seems their values are not significantly different.
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 Posted 06/01/2023  10:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MisterT to your friends list

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 Posted 06/01/2023  10:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ploopy to your friends list
@MisterT, you are incorrect. Liberty Seated half dollars came with different sized mintmarks. Also, besides the fact that the mintmark is different than what you saw, what other evidence do you have? Surfaces look correct, does not look cast, everything looks normal to me. It is an honestly circulated San Fran Half.

http://www.lsccweb.org/BillBugertBo...Vol-I-SF.pdf - Page 94 has the several MM orientations. This is a WB-2.
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 Posted 06/01/2023  11:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wan to your friends list
Ohhhhh Ploopy thanks for your nice book! I'm going to print it
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 Posted 06/01/2023  11:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eaglebub7 to your friends list
It appears genuine. There are 3 different sized "S" mm for this year, see PCGS link https://www.PCGS.com/coinfacts/coin...4-s-50c/6312 click "view more images". Regardless, being cleaned with scratches, unfortunately not worth grading.
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 Posted 06/01/2023  11:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wan to your friends list
@eaglebub7 Thank you! I'd take your advice!
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 Posted 06/01/2023  11:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list
Didn't have time to check out coin shops last I visited China before the pandemic, wonder how it is effecting the hobby.
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 Posted 06/02/2023  12:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MisterT to your friends list
I must confess that I based my opinion upon the comparison of the OP's coin to that of the image I posted with the large S. I had no idea that they used three different mm styles for that year and I saw no mention of different mm styles in any of my publications. I did look at the PCGS site and saw an example with a smaller mm after this controversy. I do stand corrected! Are there other dates with multiple style MM's? If someone could expand on this I would like to know for future reference? This is what is great about this site, so many experienced numismatists eager to enlighten others!
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 Posted 06/02/2023  01:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wan to your friends list
@macmercury
Hello!
According to the current situation in the retail market of silver coins in China, the outrageous prices have been greatly affected by the epidemic, but they are still outrageous (for me). Specifically, the price of high-value coins has not changed much, but the prices of some mid to low end silver coins have fallen significantly. Although I don't collect Chinese silver coins, my friends around me are complaining. For me, I still prefer to trade with personal collectors.
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 Posted 06/02/2023  02:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wan to your friends list
@MisterT
Yeah that is what I want to say! I didn't know the different types of 1864-S until you let me check the coin book. I'm here to make progress! a worn coin can cause everyone to carefully check it, which is the atmosphere that the numismatics profession should have, and it is precisely in this way that counterfeit coins can be completely eliminated!

Love the community!
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 Posted 06/02/2023  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Heymikep to your friends list
Yes, You can find all known die marriages via the books available on this site, http://lsccweb.org/BillBugertBooks.php & and here for newer die marriages http://lsccweb.org/BillBugert-Addenda.shtml
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 Posted 06/03/2023  6:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MisterT to your friends list
Wow, I had no idea that there were so many varieties associated with this series. I have a lot of learning to do regarding this series!
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 Posted 06/04/2023  7:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ploopy to your friends list
@MisterT The Seated Half series is pretty fun. The links that Heymikep posted are the ones I've been using for a long time. It is very helpful. For some of the years, various mintmark sizes were used, but not every year. For example, the 1870-CC and 1872-CC only use the large CC mintmark. It is also helpful when deciphering years on worn coins occasionally.
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